The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote

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The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« on: 14 Jan 2008, 03:29 pm »
We have redesigned the Peach from the ground up, and it is back in production. The new Peach II with Remote is better sounding than ever, and is now available in black, silver, with or without walnut cabinet! And, it's at an even lower price than before!

The Peach II basics:

• 4 AUX inputs (no phono)
• 3 Modes of Output - - Hi Z, Lo Z, HT Bypass (Unity Gain)
• Massive Tube Rectified Supply
• 6H30 zero feedback gain stage
• All AuriCap coupling caps
• Remote Control volume and mute

Get all the details at the web site: http://www.juicymusicaudio.com
Thank you.

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« Reply #1 on: 15 Jan 2008, 05:06 am »
Hello Mark....

Good luck with the new redesigned Peach.... looks cool. And a remote....nice...8)
Still have my old Blueberry...working just fine. And nice to read available in black.
I'm sure you remember mine....it was the first one you painted black....still looking good.....very 60's. Thanks..... :thumb:

                       Chris

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #2 on: 15 Jan 2008, 04:03 pm »
Hi Chris---
Hey, thanks. Good to hear the BBX is still "in the rotation" as they say. Thanks for the well wishes.

Mark

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #3 on: 15 Jan 2008, 04:13 pm »
Hi Mark -- The new Peach looks fantastic!

Two months ago I attempted to replace my "old" Peach with a Citation I ... it didn't work out ... I decided that I had to keep 'em both  :thumb:

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« Reply #4 on: 15 Jan 2008, 04:19 pm »
Hi Mark,

You guys have an eye for design - great looking pre's before and after the redesign!

Chris

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #5 on: 15 Jan 2008, 05:22 pm »
JON-

Did you restore the Cit I in any fashion? It's probably an interesting comparison to make! I am glad you are still enjoying the Peach. BTW, if you are ever interested we can upgrade some aspects of your Peach such as 6H30 in the V1 hole in place of the 6922. Nice pickup in transparency unless you are using a CCa or really special 7308, etc.

Thanks for the other nice comments guys.
Mark

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #6 on: 16 Jan 2008, 12:29 am »
JON-

Did you restore the Cit I in any fashion? It's probably an interesting comparison to make! I am glad you are still enjoying the Peach. BTW, if you are ever interested we can upgrade some aspects of your Peach such as 6H30 in the V1 hole in place of the 6922. Nice pickup in transparency unless you are using a CCa or really special 7308, etc.

Hi Mark,

The Citation is restored - I re-built the power supply with Jim McShane's kit, and the signal Rs and Cs had all been replaced by the previous owner.  It's running great, but isn't the best looking example.  Honestly, my initial impression was that the difference between line stages was rather slight.  The Citation does have a fantastic phono stage, is quite neutral, and is very quiet.  But with CDs (and I listen to CDs 95% of the time), the Peach sounds more "right there", lively and transparent, and has the bonus of needing only one "expensive" tube to function well.  I recently procured 8 new-in-box Mullard E88CCs at very low cost for the Peach (a 20+ year supply?!), where the Citation monopolizes a good fraction of my 12AT7 and 12AX7 collection at any given time :)  I'd imagine the Peach would be fantastic with the 6N30P, but I feel compelled to enjoy my E88CC windfall for a bit.  :wink:  So, in the end -- I'm keeping the Citation for my vintage vinyl system, and the Peach for my every day digital system.

-Jon

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« Reply #7 on: 16 Jan 2008, 12:51 am »
Congrats Mark! The pictures look cool. I hope Art Dudley will give a followup review for the updated Blueberry.  Sorry to miss you at RMAF this year. I enjoyed meeting you and your wife in 06.
Rich

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #8 on: 16 Jan 2008, 02:48 am »
Jon--
Great-- if you have the high quality bottles already, then you are right - no need for the 6H30.

Thanks Rich - - I was a disappointed not getting to RMAF, but it just didn't work out for us this year. We hope to be there next year and hopefully we can bring some new goodies too.

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #9 on: 17 Jan 2008, 03:08 pm »
We have redesigned the Peach from the ground up, and it is back in production. The new Peach II with Remote is better sounding than ever, and is now available in black, silver, with or without walnut cabinet! And, it's at an even lower price than before!

The Peach II basics:

• 4 AUX inputs (no phono)
• 3 Modes of Output - - Hi Z, Lo Z, HT Bypass (Unity Gain)
• Massive Tube Rectified Supply
• 6H30 zero feedback gain stage
• All AuriCap coupling caps
• Remote Control volume and mute

Get all the details at the web site: http://www.juicymusicaudio.com
Thank you.

Hi Mark,

It was sure nice to speak to you yesterday. I always like to talk to the people who make stuff I buy. It gives me a sense of where they are coming from.

now, will the Peach in high Z mode handle a 3.8K Ohm load? Was discussing this with my amp builder. He had suggested that if it can, then no problem.

Ray

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #10 on: 18 Jan 2008, 02:19 am »
Hi Ray--
My pleasure. No, HiZ mode is intended for amplifiers with a >47k ohms input impedance. The LoZ mode however, has a source impedance of about 90 ohms and will drive your 3.8k load, although that is mighty low for an amplifier. Lower than any amplifier I have encountered in 40 years of doing this. I'm wondering if you meant "38k" as the load, in which case the Hiz will work fine.

You're more than welcome to call anytime with additional questions or clarifications. It's what I do.

Mark

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« Reply #11 on: 24 Jan 2008, 02:42 am »
hi mark,

your website says that the peach's hiz mode is the same as the blueberry's, yet the output impedance is stated as 3.5kohms as opposed to 1.2kohms of the blueberry.  so, something is different, no?  will the peach's hiz mode drive a 47kohm input thru long cables, say 6m?

thanks,

doug s.

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« Reply #12 on: 24 Jan 2008, 04:19 am »
Hi Ray--
My pleasure. No, HiZ mode is intended for amplifiers with a >47k ohms input impedance. The LoZ mode however, has a source impedance of about 90 ohms and will drive your 3.8k load, although that is mighty low for an amplifier. Lower than any amplifier I have encountered in 40 years of doing this. I'm wondering if you meant "38k" as the load, in which case the Hiz will work fine.

You're more than welcome to call anytime with additional questions or clarifications. It's what I do.

Mark

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« Reply #13 on: 24 Jan 2008, 04:36 am »
Hi Ray--
My pleasure. No, HiZ mode is intended for amplifiers with a >47k ohms input impedance. The LoZ mode however, has a source impedance of about 90 ohms and will drive your 3.8k load, although that is mighty low for an amplifier. Lower than any amplifier I have encountered in 40 years of doing this. I'm wondering if you meant "38k" as the load, in which case the Hiz will work fine.

You're more than welcome to call anytime with additional questions or clarifications. It's what I do.

Mark

Hi Mark,

Ok, so if I am comparing the Low Z to hiZ what differences will I hear? I've been looking around the net at different tube preamps. There was a lot of talk on one of the forums about the 6H30. The newer ones are tending to have a slight glare. to the older counterparts. Just was wondering what your thoughts were. Now, I'm not saying that is true, ... only telling you what I have read on the audiogon preamp tube forum.

Are you doing anything with a constant Current Source circuit with the Cathode, or is that resistive. Are you using a plate choke or is that too just a resistor? There isn't really that much in an overly simple way to put together a tube circuit. My understanding is its the values that make the circuit. Between the 6922 and the 6h30, is that just direct coupled or some cap there in between the two stages? Also, is it possible to buy the Peach without the remote control. I want to use a stepped atenuator as opposed to all those pots you have there. The one I'm looking at is a 100K Ohm atenuator. So that's all at the moment.

Ray

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #14 on: 25 Jan 2008, 08:57 pm »
Hi Ray--
My pleasure. No, HiZ mode is intended for amplifiers with a >47k ohms input impedance. The LoZ mode however, has a source impedance of about 90 ohms and will drive your 3.8k load, although that is mighty low for an amplifier. Lower than any amplifier I have encountered in 40 years of doing this. I'm wondering if you meant "38k" as the load, in which case the Hiz will work fine.

You're more than welcome to call anytime with additional questions or clarifications. It's what I do.

Mark

Hi Mark,

Ok, so if I am comparing the Low Z to hiZ what differences will I hear? I've been looking around the net at different tube preamps. There was a lot of talk on one of the forums about the 6H30. The newer ones are tending to have a slight glare. to the older counterparts. Just was wondering what your thoughts were. Now, I'm not saying that is true, ... only telling you what I have read on the audiogon preamp tube forum.

Are you doing anything with a constant Current Source circuit with the Cathode, or is that resistive. Are you using a plate choke or is that too just a resistor? There isn't really that much in an overly simple way to put together a tube circuit. My understanding is its the values that make the circuit. Between the 6922 and the 6h30, is that just direct coupled or some cap there in between the two stages? Also, is it possible to buy the Peach without the remote control. I want to use a stepped atenuator as opposed to all those pots you have there. The one I'm looking at is a 100K Ohm atenuator. So that's all at the moment.

Ray
Hi Ray -
I'll try to answer all the questions as posed.
1. The difference between HiZ and LoZ mode is a tiny fraction of clarity. It's this simple: Every single tube stage in any circuit is a veil. There's simply no getting around that no matter what the circuit is, what the components are or who builds it. So, the HiZ mode offers maximum clarity, and the LoZ mode has a tiny sacrifice in clarity in exchange for the super low output Z. Everything in this game is a balance of trade offs. That's why we have both modes.

2. 6H30 "glare" - Well, I don't hear it in the circuits I've used it. I'd have to say I am pretty sensitive to "glare"  - which would be one of the last properties I'd want to live with. Perhaps these comments are related to various amplifiers used in conjunction? I don't know.

3. The Hi Z circuit is a straight common cathode and there is no current source. The HiZ is direct coupled to the LoZ. The loZ section adds a current-sourced follower.

4. Remote control: I can remove the remote. However, It is doubtful in the extreme that you can fit a stepped attenuator into this unit due to the design of the interface between panel and the PCB. We don't use them at all for the obvious disadvantage of trying to mate to a wide variety of power amplifier sensitivities. It would take a very small diameter and short stack switch to fit there.

Feel free to ask if you have other questions.
Mark

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #15 on: 25 Jan 2008, 09:06 pm »
hi mark,

mebbe you missed my question the first time around?   :wink:

regards,

doug s.

hi mark,

your website says that the peach's hiz mode is the same as the blueberry's, yet the output impedance is stated as 3.5kohms as opposed to 1.2kohms of the blueberry.  so, something is different, no?  will the peach's hiz mode drive a 47kohm input thru long cables, say 6m?

thanks,

doug s.

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Re: The JuicyMusic Peach is Back w/Remote
« Reply #16 on: 25 Jan 2008, 10:50 pm »
hi mark,

mebbe you missed my question the first time around?   :wink:

regards,

doug s.

hi mark,

your website says that the peach's hiz mode is the same as the blueberry's, yet the output impedance is stated as 3.5kohms as opposed to 1.2kohms of the blueberry.  so, something is different, no?  will the peach's hiz mode drive a 47kohm input thru long cables, say 6m?

thanks,

doug s.
Hi Doug---
Yes, sorry I did miss your question. Ok, looks like I better scrub this new web site once more! - - the correct answer is 3.5K ohms for BlueBerry and for Peach HiZ. I've corrected the site.

It should work just fine with 47k/6M if you use good low cap cable. I have some 20 foot cables I've made that work fine with all the preamps.
Keep the capacity under 20pF/foot or so.