Listening Room construction *finally* begins

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #20 on: 19 Feb 2008, 05:42 am »
Man, that was done lickity split!

Looks fantastic! Nice job.  :thumb:

What are your first impressions without having done any tweaking?

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #21 on: 19 Feb 2008, 01:06 pm »
Looks great !!  I'd love to be at that stage (no I haven't started).

Watch ya got in the corners?  Size and material.

I see you got your amps up front and source & pre by your side.  Interesting, keeps the front neat but still lets you look at some of your hard earned $$.

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #22 on: 19 Feb 2008, 04:41 pm »
How high is the ceiling?

The ceiling is 8' 6".

The original space was 21' x 21' with almost 9' to the joists for most of the room. The finished space is 20 '1" x 14' 1.5" x 8' 6". There is a hallway occupying the remainder of the original space. It's a bit shorter due to the original offset for the door and that part of the ceiling contains the support beam for the house above and all the plumbing and main HVAC, so I chose to put the wall where I could maintain the high ceiling.

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #23 on: 19 Feb 2008, 04:50 pm »
Man, that was done lickity split!

Looks fantastic! Nice job.  :thumb:

What are your first impressions without having done any tweaking?

I have to give credit to the contractor I used. It took about 6 weeks for him start to finish. It would have been a bit faster but Christmas and New Years were in there, so I'm very happy with him. It took about two weeks for the carpet to be ordered and installed, overall almost exactly 8 weeks from bare concrete to music.

As for the sound, It's getting there... I have it were it's not too bad, the bass is pretty good though lacking a little in lowest freqs but at least not boomy. The highs are a little hard but I still haven't worked with the room treatments much yet, been trying to get the bass sorted first since that's usually the most difficult. I may try the long wall setup just to see how it sounds. I had separate 20A circuits put on each wall and I pulled phone/ethernet/satellite to each wall as well, so it won't be hard to try a long wall setup..

The main impression is how quiet it is. :-). If everything is off, it's really quiet. About the only thing you can hear is your own breathing. And according to the Green Glue literature, it takes 60 days to fully cure, more in cold climates. So it should continue to improve for the next month or so.  8)

mike

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #24 on: 19 Feb 2008, 04:58 pm »
Looks great !!  I'd love to be at that stage (no I haven't started).

Watch ya got in the corners?  Size and material.

I see you got your amps up front and source & pre by your side.  Interesting, keeps the front neat but still lets you look at some of your hard earned $$.

Hi Rich,

The corners each have two of the GIK Acoustics Tri Traps. They are stacked and are about 6" short of the ceiling. I also have 8 of the GIK 242 panels and 4 of the GIK 244 panels. Glenn made me a killer deal at RMAF 2006 so he didn't have to ship them back. I was planning for the room then but had to save some serious coin before I could build it. Fortunately my company bonus paid out during the show that year and it was withing $0.25 of the price Glenn wanted for the collection of treatments, made it much easier to sell the wife on as we had just moved in and extra funds were non existent.

I put the rack on the side as I really want to keep as much reflective surface from between the speakers as possible. The amps aren't very tall, so that wasn't a big deal and since the DCX has balanced outs, the long cables aren't a problem. At least not now, at first I had some low level hum with the Rotel driving the woofers but a ground lift switch took care of that. Note the ground lift is just for the circuit ground, not the safety ground, which remains firmly bolted to the chassis. :)

It's also a hell of a lot easier to read the SB display from 5 ft vs 15.

Mike

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #25 on: 21 Feb 2008, 07:09 am »
the bass is pretty good though lacking a little in lowest freqs but at least not boomy.

I suspect that you might simply need to get familiarized with the sound of bass not bouncing back and ringing in the room.
 I've tuned a few peoples' subwoofers and have them complain that they can't hear it anymore. I would ask them to leave it for a few days and just listen to music with the new settings. I'd then come back and reset it to their previous settings, and always they would think that I exaggerated the settings. They wouldn't believe that they had so much booming going on.

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The main impression is how quiet it is. . If everything is off, it's really quiet. About the only thing you can hear is your own breathing.

Low ambient noise floor is a big deal. Congrats, you've just improved the detail retrieval level of your system.  :thumb:

Just for fun, try and take a db reading of the noisefloor in the room.

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carusoracer

Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #26 on: 21 Feb 2008, 02:52 pm »
I luv the look of the Meadowlarks! I hope the room is coming along the way you like :thumb:

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #27 on: 21 Feb 2008, 06:50 pm »
I was really amazed how much quieter seems/gets when properly treated.  The very first time I had all my 8th Nerve stuff mounted in my old room, non-audio people would often comment on how "quiet" or "peaceful" the room sounded compared to all the others.  Even just for conversation, room treatment helps!

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #28 on: 21 Feb 2008, 07:06 pm »
I was really amazed how much quieter seems/gets when properly treated.  The very first time I had all my 8th Nerve stuff mounted in my old room, non-audio people would often comment on how "quiet" or "peaceful" the room sounded compared to all the others.  Even just for conversation, room treatment helps!
Amen brother! :thumb:

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #29 on: 12 Apr 2008, 08:02 am »
Mike, you have a PM.


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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #30 on: 12 Apr 2008, 09:27 am »
Your room is slightly larger than mine, but follows the same ratios.  Mine has a 4.5 ft x 2.5 ft notch into the back corner  :( but that may actually help, who knows?  I'm set up in the Cardias perscribed nearfield scheme, which with single driver speakers works great.  As I also use the room for my office, the back half has drafting table, open desk, and two drawer file cabinet.  Side walls have three 30 inch wide by 72 inch bookcases (diffusion panels).  With my office stuff, I'm locked (blissfully) into a narrow front audio wall layout.  The audio end of the room has six GIK 244 panels, which frankly didn't make a huge difference, probably due to the otherwise nearly ideal conditions to start with.

I also have three cryo'd hospital grade Hubbell 20A receptacles (each on separate 20A circuits, all grounded together but independent from the rest of the house).  The house is new, with new applicances and its own transformer.  My ventilation duct is insulated and flexible, so I don't hear the furnace.  The door is weatherstripped, insulated exterior fiberglass.  And my room is very quiet too.  Took some time to get used to it and the feeling of being so isolated.  The isolation and independence (listen when/as you like) factors are huge.

My builder didn't cooperate, so the drywall is attached directly to the ceiling/floor structure.  Between that and the six recessed light fixtures I hear what is going on above, even though its insulated.  That was the only real mistake, but Green Glue and another sheet of drywall (which will actually put the ceiling height at the exact dimension I wanted anyway) plus a couple of wall sounces would take care of that.  So please let me know how the Green Glue has worked for you.

mgalusha

Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #31 on: 12 Apr 2008, 12:55 pm »
Thankfully I was able to find a contractor who did as I asked, within code restrictions of course. The Green Glue seems to work very well. Of course I can't do an A/B but according to their site it takes up to 60 days to fully cure and longer in cold climates. The room seems to be getting quieter over time so I suspect the Green Glue is still curing. It's very quiet and having the entry hall with a second door only ads to the isolation from the rest of the house.

My neighbor dropped by last night for a little Scotch tasting as he had a few new varieties and we chose to relax in the listening room with the Scotch and some music. He commented several times on how quiet it was and on the sound and he has no interest in high end audio but made a very cool comment that he "could hear all of the guitar, something I've never experienced before". Maybe I've created a budding audiophile. :)

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Re: Listening Room construction *finally* begins
« Reply #32 on: 12 Apr 2008, 12:58 pm »
My neighbor dropped by last night for a little Scotch tasting as he had a few new varieties and we chose to relax in the listening room with the Scotch and some music. He commented several times on how quiet it was and on the sound and he has no interest in high end audio but made a very cool comment that he "could hear all of the guitar, something I've never experienced before". Maybe I've created a budding audiophile. :)

Job well done - one at a time we assimilate them...

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