More opinions/information about "The Loudness War"

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Bob in St. Louis

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More opinions/information about "The Loudness War"
« on: 28 Dec 2007, 05:53 pm »
Here's another bit of information from Rolling Stone proving that us folks that REALLY enjoy music can only find that .00001% of the recorded information is "of the artists intent".
ie: A Quality recording.
Which I suppose is about right since 99.99999% of people think what's currently available is "good enough" as they're 'ipodding'/'MP3ing' anyway.

How about we all gather at someplace like RIAA, light candles, hold hands and chant obscenities at them?    aa   :icon_twisted:


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17777619/the_death_of_high_fidelity

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« Reply #1 on: 28 Dec 2007, 07:47 pm »
Sounds like a good idea but I might skip the hand holding part.

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« Reply #2 on: 28 Dec 2007, 11:21 pm »
That is a tremendously depressing article.

I'm curious, does anyone here know of any good resouces online or in print that review new and/or old music with at least some focus as to recording quality?  I'd love to check that out.

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« Reply #3 on: 29 Dec 2007, 01:23 am »
YES! There is a "list" of high quality recordings. It was posted over at HawthorneAudio a while back. I'll see if I can find it.

EDIT: Hmen, whatda mean you don't wanna hold hands?

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« Reply #4 on: 29 Dec 2007, 01:43 am »
I have always liked this article.  It is a few years old, but his points are put across well, and unfortunately still valid.

http://moozeek.de/mirrors/articles/over_the_limit.htm

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« Reply #5 on: 29 Dec 2007, 06:24 am »
I have always liked this article.  It is a few years old, but his points are put across well, and unfortunately still valid.

http://moozeek.de/mirrors/articles/over_the_limit.htm
YES....THATS A GOOD ARTICLE !!!.... :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: 29 Dec 2007, 06:40 am »
What are you trying to say Chris?

Cheers  :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: 29 Dec 2007, 06:43 am »
What are you trying to say Chris?

Cheers  :lol:
I think you need glasses Denny.... :jester:

Have a Happy New Year.... :beer:

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« Reply #8 on: 29 Dec 2007, 06:52 am »
:D  that's funny  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:   :o   ya Chris,what are you really trying to say :o?????

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« Reply #9 on: 29 Dec 2007, 07:03 am »
:D  that's funny  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:   :o   ya Chris,what are you really trying to say :o?????
Did you read the article Pat...

WHY IS THE LOUDER IS BETTER APPROACH THE WRONG APPROACH? BECAUSE WHEN ALL OF THE SIGNAL IS AT THE MAXIMUM LEVEL, THEN THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE SIGNAL TO HAVE ANY PUNCH. THE WHOLE THING COMES SCREAMING AT YOU LIKE A MESSAGE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. AS WE ALL KNOW, WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS THERE ARE NO CUES TO HELP THE BRAIN MAKE SENSE OF THE SIGNAL, AND THE MIND TIRES QUICKLY OF TRYING TO PROCESS WHAT IS, BASICALLY, WHITE NOISE. LIKEWISE, A SIGNAL THAT JUST PEGS THE METERS CAUSES THE BRAIN TO REACT AS THOUGH IT IS BEING FED WHITE NOISE. WE SIMPLY FILTER IT OUT AND QUIT TRYING TO PROCESS IT.

............................. :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: 29 Dec 2007, 07:06 am »
Wha?????

I didn't get that.....

Sorry, I don't know what happened......

My brain was doin' funny things there for a couple of moments....

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« Reply #11 on: 29 Dec 2007, 07:07 am »
I think you need glasses Denny.... :jester:

Have a Happy New Year.... :beer:

Happy New year to you as well Chris.  :beer:


Hey!.....we're in the same time zone, do you ever sleep?

It's 2.00 am fer cryin' out loud!  :sleep:

Cheers  :wink:

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« Reply #12 on: 29 Dec 2007, 07:12 am »
Quote
It's 2.00 am fer cryin' out loud!....do you ever sleep?

Sometimes..... :lol:

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« Reply #13 on: 29 Dec 2007, 09:38 am »
Someone mentions "loudness wars" and this is what I think of....

http://www.bluecheer.us/archive/bluecheerphotos01.htm

http://www.bluecheer.us/archive/abekesh.htm


Man, am I getting freakin' old!

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« Reply #14 on: 2 Jan 2008, 02:11 pm »
I'm curious, does anyone here know of any good resouces online or in print that review new and/or old music with at least some focus as to recording quality?  I'd love to check that out.

YES! There is a "list" of high quality recordings. It was posted over at HawthorneAudio a while back. I'll see if I can find it.

Found it. Sorry it took so long:
http://www.digido.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=36

Bob

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« Reply #15 on: 2 Jan 2008, 03:34 pm »
I have done my share of mastering and I always encourage my clients to avoid keeping up with the Jonses as far as average level is concerned. Unfortunately, my suggestions often go unheeded. It always has to be loud, like the major label CD's they like.

I have some very cool metering at my disposal, and I often look at the meters while listening for pleasure. I can view peak and average levels for each channel simultaneously. I recently did some peak versus average level comparisons on various records. On the famous Sheffield Track Record (direct to disc), the peak versus average differential was typically about 18db! The kick drum really hits you in gut. I checked out the Cisco Aja, as well as a killer original ABC of Aja. The Cisco had a peak to average of about 12db. Not bad, but the original had more like 17db. This might explain why some people have expressed their dislike for the Cisco compared to a good original ABC. I liked the Cisco at first, but a really good ABC is better!

What people do not understand is that the irritation we experience when listening to music with excessive peak limiting is our natural defensive reaction to noise, which is there to protect our hearing!


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« Reply #16 on: 2 Jan 2008, 03:49 pm »
Found it. Sorry it took so long:
http://www.digido.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=36

Bob

Thanks!  There are a few on that list that I don't have and am interested in getting.