How do you define what an audiophile is?

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #20 on: 27 Dec 2007, 03:16 pm »
An audio enthusiast is someone who cares enough about listening to music that owning a superior stereo system is essential.  He may go to unusual lengths to obtain a better and better system, but will at least live with something for a while and appreciate its merits.  He can hear the differences between this and that.

An audiophile is someone who has crossed over to really caring more about the stereo equipment than the music being played, much of the time.  He too can hear the differences between this and that, but he finds himself listening only for those differences, much of the time.  He is one whose perspective and sense of relativity has become warped by what Freud termed "the narcissism of small differences" (though Freud was applying it to how people judge one another).

An audiophool is someone who cannot really hear the differences between this and that, but imagines he can, doesn't really know what he's looking for, but eagerly buys into every new thing that comes down the pipe.

Most of us probably skate a fine line between audio enthusiast and audiophile; in my book the latter is something ideally to be resisted...as irresistible as it can certainly be.

And I agree that live concerts often disappoint. But it sounds like everyone is referring to amplified concerts.  Acoustic music is the best benchmark for audio enthusiasm and high fidelity reproduction, imnvho.  Happy New Year everybody...

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #21 on: 27 Dec 2007, 03:28 pm »
I chuckle at those that rather listen to their systems than live, obviously they are comparing to amplified music in a poor enviroment. Take a great Orchestra in a Great Hall and there is no system on earth that come close ! This coming May The Phila Orchestra will be performing Mahler's 8th symphony (Symphony of a Thousand), one of if not the largest orchestral/choral productions of all time. The ONLY way to appreciate this well be in person !

With respect to "Audiophile"........ one who does his/her best to achive the "Memorex" moment with an ongoing love affair with the equipment side of the equation as well.

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #22 on: 27 Dec 2007, 03:35 pm »
An audio enthusiast is someone who cares enough about listening to music that owning a superior stereo system is essential.  He may go to unusual lengths to obtain a better and better system, but will at least live with something for a while and appreciate its merits.  He can hear the differences between this and that.

An audiophile is someone who has crossed over to really caring more about the stereo equipment than the music being played, much of the time.  He too can hear the differences between this and that, but he finds himself listening only for those differences, much of the time.  He is one whose perspective and sense of relativity has become warped by what Freud termed "the narcissism of small differences" (though Freud was applying it to how people judge one another).

An audiophool is someone who cannot really hear the differences between this and that, but imagines he can, doesn't really know what he's looking for, but eagerly buys into every new thing that comes down the pipe.

Most of us probably skate a fine line between audio enthusiast and audiophile; in my book the latter is something ideally to be resisted...as irresistible as it can certainly be.

And I agree that live concerts often disappoint. But it sounds like everyone is referring to amplified concerts.  Acoustic music is the best benchmark for audio enthusiasm and high fidelity reproduction, imnvho.  Happy New Year everybody...

Nice synopsis.  I agree.   Happy New Year.  :beer: 

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #23 on: 27 Dec 2007, 03:37 pm »
I chuckle at those that rather listen to their systems than live, obviously they are comparing to amplified music in a poor enviroment. Take a great Orchestra in a Great Hall and there is no system on earth that come close ! This coming May The Phila Orchestra will be performing Mahler's 8th symphony (Symphony of a Thousand), one of if not the largest orchestral/choral productions of all time. The ONLY way to appreciate this well be in person !

I actually learned that the "only" way to truly appreciate Mahler's 8th to its fullest is to take part in the performing of it.  There are so many contrapuntal voices or individual lines to be followed that learning the work and singing/playing it is the best way to hear them, to be aware that they're happening in real time.  From the audience you simply aren't hearing many of them, and they're so great and worth hearing...But you're completely right about the impossibility of capturing such a thing on record.

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #24 on: 27 Dec 2007, 03:45 pm »
I try hard not to pay attention to generalized definitions of what someone is/is not or their motivation for why they are the way they are....in any aspect of life...I've had too many experiences where such assumptions are way off base from the real person once I've spent some time getting to know them....

Enjoy the music, enjoy your gear, enjoy your pursuit of whatever it is you're trying to accomplish, what anyone else defines you as isn't that relevant in the scheme of things.....if any of it stops being enjoyable, take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why, and then make an adjustment to get back to the enjoying part....

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #25 on: 27 Dec 2007, 03:48 pm »
brianM,

I seem to be sliding into that audio enthusiast description.  Right now I'm listening to a Peggy Lee compulation disk and quite enjoying it.  Your comparison between audio enthusiast and audiophile reminds me of the question of which you'd rather have: an incredible system that only a handful of recordings sound absolutely perfect on; or a good system that makes nearly everything sound good.


twitch,

I agree, I don't know quite how to take those who would rather listen to their system than live performances.  Perhaps it boils down to a matter of convenience (listening in PJs, when I want, in a favorite chair, etc.).  Maybe its a matter of being conditioned to the artificial colorations of their system (or most "audiophile" grade systems).  Could be not wanting to deal with people (that can get in the way or cough during the concert).

Not sure I'd want to admit to having a "love affair" with my equipment.   :scratch:

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #26 on: 27 Dec 2007, 06:33 pm »
I thought audiophile = music lover and stereophile = gear whore... only semantics though. In any hobby there are those who obsess over equipment more than enjoying the hobby itsself. For me, the equipment is a means to an end... but I also enjoy learning about the equipment and the diy aspect is a lot of fun. I find critical listening tests to be interesting, but I'm too lazy to do very much of it  :green:

As far as live music... its better when done properly. When done poorly its frustrating to be there. Sometimes I wonder how prosound guys get thier jobs  :scratch:  because it seems like a crapshoot whether the sound will be ok when I go see a live show.

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #27 on: 27 Dec 2007, 06:37 pm »
Welcome aboard xander,

Your reply at this tender age (compared to most of us) is refreshing and offers promise that this is not a hobby for just old farts.  Your interest, passion, and commitment are commendable.  As your time and finances would seem to dictate, you fit the wikipedia definition quite well.  IME getting your hands dirty and trying to understand how the equipment actually works are vital aspects in being a successful audiophile.

How much we spend is a personal matter.  As long as it doesn't get in the way of having an otherwise healthy social, economic, and financial life most audiophiles wouldn't deem it to be excessive.  (Mother Theresa would have probably have considered Bill Gates buying an i-Pod as excessive.) 

Yeah, it all depends on how much money you have I guess. If you have it, then spend it on what makes you happy.

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Just don't lose love for the music.  Many have burned out after spending extreme amounts of resources on the last iota of detail/whatever or from listening for all the sonic nits versus hearing the soul of the music.  This is exactly why audiophiles are critized for their sickness.  In fact part of the wikipedia definition I edited out (because I don't comprehend it) was the reference to a Japanese practice for using music only as a reference and assemble systems for the intellectual pleasure alone.

Yeah, I realize what you're saying. I still enjoy music to its fullest though. I can listen to a great song on a pair of crappy headphones or a boombox and still enjoy it. I sometimes have to force myself to not think about deficiencies in a sound system, but I realize when I'm over analyzing stuff.

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And protect those young ears, keep them from damaging spls as long as possible.  And thanks for the post.   :thumb:

Yeah for earplugs! I am one of the only people at work that use them. Everyone else just says "eh, I can't hear well anyway."

Thanks for the welcome, I'm looking forward to learning even more from this forum, looks great

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #28 on: 28 Dec 2007, 05:48 am »
My definition of audiophile is a music lover who achieves total musical nirvana with the best possible equipment he or she can afford. In other words an audiophile attempts to get the most honest and realistic sound reproduction possible within their means.

FWIW...

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #29 on: 28 Dec 2007, 06:13 am »
My definition of audiophile is a music lover who achieves total musical nirvana with the best possible equipment he or she can afford. In other words an audiophile attempts to get the most honest and realistic sound reproduction possible within their means.

FWIW...

I like this definition...there are extremes to every path...I don't think its just about the money, at least not in my case...I place more value on the musical side of it vs the equipment. I would choose lots of music options with a decent system over a megabucks system with a few audiophile albums.

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #30 on: 28 Dec 2007, 06:35 am »
...I place more value on the musical side of it vs the equipment. I would choose lots of music options with a decent system over a megabucks system with a few audiophile albums.

Hey!

   Totally agreed with you on that one :D

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #31 on: 28 Dec 2007, 11:05 am »
Yes, I've found much more enjoyment from humble "musical" systems than studio monitoring sort of sound from uber expensive ones that are hyper revealing yet fatiguing.  I much prefer the good system that renders early digital recordings "acceptable" that the uber detailed system that exposes what the vocalist had for breakfast.

We each have a limit of how much we will spend on audio and so we should respect that, just like our individual preferences for various aspects of sound reproduction.  In that vain I'd very much hope that any bunch of audiophiles not measure each other by the "impressiveness" of their toys.


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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #32 on: 28 Dec 2007, 05:43 pm »
My definition of audiophile is a music lover who achieves total musical nirvana with the best possible equipment he or she can afford. In other words an audiophile attempts to get the most honest and realistic sound reproduction possible within their means.

FWIW...

I like this one too. It makes it subjective to each individual's standards and what they can afford, rather than comparing them to others' standards.

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #33 on: 28 Dec 2007, 10:26 pm »
 :scratch:  I define an audiophile as someone who no longer needs a passport to enter the land of crazy. 

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #34 on: 29 Dec 2007, 08:21 am »
Can we agree on this definition? 

I always thought that an "audiophile" was someone who listens to stereo equipment.  This is in contrast to a "music fan" who listens to music.  Sometimes a person can actually be both but this is rare.

One good story is about Neil Young.  When he is working on a recording in the studio he has a habit of running a copy of the track off to a cassette tape then taking it outside in the parking lot and listening to it in his pickup truck.  So here we have a musician and recording engineer working together so the sound come out "right" on a cheap car stereo. 

Most recorded music was never intended to sound the same as "live". Most of it is the product of much sophisticated studio work, mixing from multi track tape and so on.  I think the best you can hope for is for music to sound like the artist and recording engineer intended it to sound.  Many times this is very differnt from what yu would have heard if you had been there in person.

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Re: How do you define what an audiophile is?
« Reply #35 on: 29 Dec 2007, 10:04 am »
CAlbertson,

Your idea about simply listening to the equipment is the Japanese approach as I interpret what I found in the wikipedia definition and is a concept I just can't wrap my head around.

You're right about sounding like what the artist/engineer had in mind for most recordings.  The "mystery and intrigue" that goes into making a recording would shake the foundations of our faith in being audiophiles.  Imaging and soundstaging of studio work is almost totally fiction/artificial.  Vocalists often do their own backup vocals.  The individual performers may not even be together during the recording or be making their tracks from the same studio.  Producers push to have it sound good in the car/iPod.

But we can still listen to the vocalist, the many symphonies, and the good labels with confidence.