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Double, have you tried adding a somewhat sweet sounding tube pre to the Spectron? Something on the veins of a low end Shindo or even a Dehavilland preamp?
Most myths are started by those who have an overly simplistic understanding of how things work and based on that make inferences which are repeated by those who don't know any better.Whoever started this notion that tubes are "open circuit" and transistors "open and close" so that with digital sources tubes "fill in the gaps" and transistors do not knows little or nothing about tubes, transistors, or digital audio.
I dont know he sure did clear up some absolutely wrong information. To me the worst thing in a community forum is hype and outright wrong information that thousands of people read. I thank him
Quote from: pbrstreetgang on 17 Dec 2007, 02:35 amI dont know he sure did clear up some absolutely wrong information. To me the worst thing in a community forum is hype and outright wrong information that thousands of people read. I thank himYeah, Steve's full of it alright. Information, that is. He's cleared up a lot of things that I've taken as the gospel, after reading it time after time again, for years, in published material nonetheless.If you peruse through his posts, he helps a lot of people that way. And some people don't like him because of that, and take shots at him.He genuinely likes to share knowledge, as most knowledgeable people do, but some people don't always appreciate that. They perceive his sharing of knowledge as argumentative or oppositional, rather than helpful....I'd consider it "a dark day" if he didn't share his knowledge.Cheers
Actually, it's probably more a matter of me re-telling what was said succinctly rather than that person having been completely unknowing.
I'd consider it "a dark day" if he didn't share his knowledge.
Does it sound like a 300B? Nope, but then what does?
Quote from: Double Ugly on 16 Dec 2007, 11:55 pmDoes it sound like a 300B? Nope, but then what does? Exactly!And when you try and make something sound like something completely other than what it is, you just end up with the audio equivalent of margarine. And I think that's a mistake made by a lot of solid state designers. Although I think a 300B amp can sound very good, I don't want a solid state amplifier that was designed to sound kinda, sorta, somewhat but not quite like a 300B amp. I want a solid state amplifier that sounds good, period.And it doesn't have to sound like a 300B amp to do so.I mean, two women can look quite different, have different personalities, etc., yet I can find both to be equally attractive.Both tubes and transistors have their strengths and weaknesses. So instead of trying to make vacuum tube margarine out of transistors, I think the goal should be to bring out the beauty of each to their fullest.se
And when you try and make something sound like something completely other than what it is, you just end up with the audio equivalent of margarine. And I think that's a mistake made by a lot of solid state designers.
To what extent can a designer actually predict what something will sound like before the execution?
Quote from: JLM on 16 Dec 2007, 12:42 pmA friend has OB with tubes. As expected the sound is colored and lacks imaging. Soundstage is the size of the wall behind them. Tone is rich, warm, and full bodied. Easier to live with than a highly analytical studio system, but I'd tire from too much euphoria.It is enjoyable, but not accurate, and not my idea of an audiophile system.Everyone has his own idea of what is an accurate audiophile system. Coloration and lack of imaging can be fixed with better tube gear. My point is that enclosed boxed speakers have a characteristic that makes them sound like enclosed boxed speakers. This observable fact is especially evident in the midrange, the airiness of the sound and the surreal visceral impact. An enclosed boxed, no matter how good just doesn't sound as natural as an open baffle.
A friend has OB with tubes. As expected the sound is colored and lacks imaging. Soundstage is the size of the wall behind them. Tone is rich, warm, and full bodied. Easier to live with than a highly analytical studio system, but I'd tire from too much euphoria.It is enjoyable, but not accurate, and not my idea of an audiophile system.
There are a lot of box speakers you haven't heard....
Quote from: TONEPUB on 17 Dec 2007, 04:56 amThere are a lot of box speakers you haven't heard....There certainly are a lot of enclosed box speakers I haven't heard, nor do I need to hear in order to know that they do NOT sound like or share the characteristics an OB! When the back wave is trapped inside the confines of an enclosed boxed instead of being able to radiate in free air, you can't reasonably expect the speaker to sound like something it isn't.Expecting a wave trapped inside an enclosed box to sound like an OB is like expecting a convict imprisoned to live life as if he's on the outside. That just ain't going to happen.
Just because an OB radiates in free air doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good... Also don't many OBs' have trouble generating decent bass response and gizmo's such as equalizers and baffle step compensation are required to achieve adequate and flat response...