DC offset on AC line

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richidoo

DC offset on AC line
« on: 29 Nov 2007, 08:42 pm »
Can I measure the DC offset of my AC power with multimeter set to DC volts?
Thanks
Rich

JoshK

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #1 on: 29 Nov 2007, 11:12 pm »
Not many DMM have that capability to measure DC on an AC waveform and will give erroneous results. 

mfsoa

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #2 on: 29 Nov 2007, 11:19 pm »
What level of offset is considered "normal"?


Thanks

-Mike

richidoo

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #3 on: 30 Nov 2007, 01:06 am »
OK, thanks Josh.  :thumb:

TomS

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #4 on: 30 Nov 2007, 01:11 am »
If you can borrow a 'scope, that probably work nicely as long as it can handle 120v p-p.  I have a cheapo one for crude work that comes in handy for those little jobs that don't require any sort of real precision.  Tom

Occam

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #5 on: 30 Nov 2007, 02:01 am »
Just a slight expansion on Tom's suggestion. What I do on my scope is set my scope to 'AC coupled' (which puts a capacitor is series with the signal) and center the image. Then by pressing the 'DC coupling' button you able to rapidly switch back between the 2 and visually see the amount of dc offset. If you've a scope with multimeter functions, which many PC based USB scopes have, you can simply measure the mean voltage which is the dc offset (assuming your mains is reasonably close to a sine)

PS - the better Fluke multimeters can directly read the dc offset on a AC signal

richidoo

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #6 on: 30 Nov 2007, 02:05 am »
Thanks Tom and Paul.
A friend has a scope. We'll give that a try. Just wanna track down a tranny hum.
Rich

TomS

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #7 on: 30 Nov 2007, 02:06 am »
Just a slight expansion on Tom's suggestion. What I do on my scope is set my scope to 'AC coupled' (which puts a capacitor is series with the signal) and center the image. Then by pressing the 'DC coupling' button you able to rapidly switch back between the 2 and visually see the amount of dc offset. If you've a scope with multimeter functions, which many PC based USB scopes have, you can simply measure the mean voltage which is the dc offset (assuming your mains is reasonably close to a sine)

PS - the better Fluke multimeters can directly read the dc offset on a AC signal
Thanks Paul.  I was hoping you'd come to my rescue  :thumb:

HAL

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Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #8 on: 30 Nov 2007, 03:51 am »
If you have access to a Fluke 43B power line analyzer, you can check the harmonic distortion on the AC line.  Had a similar problem with lots of audio gear in the house.  Turned out the the AC line harmonic distortion was running about 6%. 

The local power company did some investigation.  Found out the meter base contacts had corrosion.  After clean up, the AC line distortion runs about 2%.   No more power transformer hum. 

richidoo

Re: DC offset on AC line
« Reply #9 on: 8 Dec 2007, 04:48 pm »
Wow, HAL, that is cool. That corrosion probably also cost you some dough on the electrical bill. Good discovery. Thanks
Rich