The Sounds of a Soraya

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AKSA

Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #20 on: 16 Nov 2007, 11:01 am »
Hi Kyrill,

Good question......  I have to be frank and say that a Class AB power amp is not ideally suited to this concept, it's best for Class A circuits at low power like preamps.

But I will be doing a potted module for the Soraya eventually to protect the present IP.

I'm starting to get rather adversarial in my approach.  It pains me, but I must protect my ideas.

Cheers,

Hugh

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Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #21 on: 16 Nov 2007, 11:19 am »
Thanks Hugh
I think they will notice if I'm gone

working in the morning
serving curry at school fete in the afternoon
im quite jealous though

kyrill

Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #22 on: 16 Nov 2007, 11:28 am »
hmm

you can only gain time some Hugh
 a "professional" will unpot yr pot with ease and start reverse engineering
i would protect yr intellectual property to begin, with a patent and helas it must be a patent covering US/Canada CHINA europe the whole world except  Bangladesh and Africa i am afraid

much easier is to franchise yr idea it is not the good use of the word, i mean every manufacturer using yr patent  must pay a certain percentage of the sold object


the balance is a fair percentage
it is  to pay you or the risk of an expensive lawsuit that they will loose in the end with huge fines afterwards
there are enough  US  laywers with no cure no pay conditions asking for 50% of the revenues

if yr invention is that good
i would think BIG

approach SONY, MARANTZ NAD but it MUST be PATENDED!!
0.01+ % of millions sold will still make you a very rich man

approach manufacturers of LAB and medical equipment
approach NASA suppliers
approach sub atomic research technical suppliers
but it MUST be PATENDED!!

there will always be timeless never ever ending  demand for infinite clean predictable power

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Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #23 on: 16 Nov 2007, 01:16 pm »
Does It matter to me what live unsampled music sounds like if i am never going to play it on my system. If you were going to spend a lot of time choral music or live orchistral (sp) music i could see the point but out of my 2000 or so cd's perhaps  10 are acoustic variety

ED


I believe it is necessary to have solid exposure to live unamplified music to evaluate hifi gear.  This is most commonly referred to as the symphony.  This exposure will eventually train the listener to understand what is right, and what isn't.  Sure, there are differences in the sound of symphony rooms and the distance from the conductor will also have an impact.  However, any exposure to unamplified music is the very best exposure for training the listener.  Without this, listeners can only evaluate one form of amplification against another form of amplification.  I believe most folks have completely forgot the actual sound of live unamplified music - even many hifi enthusiasts.  And, the rest of society is quite impressed with how "real" the dinosaur sounds in the movie Jurassic Park.  Following the really bad ears in the community, folks are very happy to use their eyes to discern differences in hifi equipment.

Absolutely.

"Live" music doesn't count if it's amplified through a PA.

It's only when you've been exposed to the sound of unamplified instruments, and really know what they sound like in real life, that you can really judge which audio components really, truly come closest to true transparency and faithfullness.

Cheers

kyrill

Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #24 on: 16 Nov 2007, 02:02 pm »
it does not matter

what the system robs from live acoustic it robs from any content.
what we hear as depth form live, is 99 out of 100 times added to
electronic music as echo
but it is much more than this.
transparency, musicality, attack and decay
timbre, etc. you name it
these properties are all coming together in live acoustics but play their important role
in a proportional different way in any kind of signal

the amp is a machine, it does not discern live form a synthesiser for instance 

it may not matter to you but then buy a toshiba radio and be happy to save yourself a LOT of money
:wink:

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Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #25 on: 16 Nov 2007, 03:31 pm »
Ill Pass on the  toshiba radio and be happy to save yourself a LOT of money
:wink: Thank You  LOL

My point is that while the Eagles- Hotel California sounds  stunningly good on my system,while  Demented or GO - Who put Granny under the stairs (Psycho-Billy live) just sounds terrible so you really do need to tailor your system to the type of music you listen too.


it does not matter

what the system robs from live acoustic it robs from any content.
what we hear as depth form live, is 99 out of 100 times added to
electronic music as echo
but it is much more than this.
transparency, musicality, attack and decay
timbre, etc. you name it
these properties are all coming together in live acoustics but play their important role
in a proportional different way in any kind of signal

the amp is a machine, it does not discern live form a synthesiser for instance 

it may not matter to you but then buy a toshiba radio and be happy to save yourself a LOT of money
:wink:

AKSA

Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #26 on: 16 Nov 2007, 09:03 pm »
Kyrill,

Sadly, out of the question.

A patent costs about $US50K, and has huge, ongoing expenses to purchase litigation insurance and detect infringements.

Patents are useful bargaining chips for large corporations and the very wealthy.  They don't work for the little guy.

I agree encapsulation has its problems but I cannot afford the cost of the patent.

Now please, stop giving me good advice, it only makes things worse!!   :oops:

Hugh

kyrill

Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #27 on: 16 Nov 2007, 09:46 pm »
my apologies, sir
« Last Edit: 17 Nov 2007, 12:00 am by kyrill »

gaetan8888

Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #28 on: 16 Nov 2007, 11:03 pm »

I agree encapsulation has its problems but I cannot afford the cost of the patent.


Hugh

Hello Hugh

Encapsulation of the important part of the Soraya pc board, in a two component rosin, or any other types rosins, can be good to protect your IP.

Remember those Mark Levinson big encapsulated kind of discrete Ic in some of their products ?

I think it was in the 80's, and it was givin some kind of aura to their products, wen I was seeing the photos of them I was impressed by those big secret black Ic box and I was believing that those black Ic box was giving a better sound.

Bye

Gaetan, from Canada.

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Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #29 on: 26 Jan 2008, 10:40 pm »
Hugh,

When is the Tone Publications review of the Soraya CB105 likely to be published?  I've re-read my own comments from early in this old thread I started and cannot really add to them other than to say it has become a beautiful amp to live with on a day to day basis.  It really has settled down well and is sweeter than ever with base to die for.  I'm sure the reviewer will find the same outstanding qualities that I believe to be there and I am itching to read the review. :D

AKSA

Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #30 on: 26 Jan 2008, 11:21 pm »
Hi Lyn,

Thank you for your post - and your gracious comments about the Soraya!!

The review was finished last week, Jeff Dorgay informs me.  I would say it will be in Issue #14, the next issue, but I can't be dead sure as he might have scheduled it for #15, hard to say.  He's a terrific guy, and he loves the Soraya, reckons its incredible value for money, so I'm just heaving a sigh of relief it's done and playing each day as it comes!!

See you at 4:30pm for a listen!

Cheers,

Hugh

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Re: The Sounds of a Soraya
« Reply #31 on: 27 Jan 2008, 11:31 pm »
That’s good news about the review Hugh.  When I re-read what I have said about the Soraya, it can easily come across as words written by a very enthusiastic owner justifying his purchase.  However much I believe those words and however right I and the other positive owners contributing to the thread may prove to be, an independent review is the only way to go to validate these impressions.  Besides, for the time being I’m too busy enjoying the music and hunting for a better cartridge to say much more and I can never write a review with the authority of a DSK.  Glad you seemed to like the system. :D