DAC question

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caddisgeek

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DAC question
« on: 4 Oct 2007, 11:34 pm »
This is probably a stupid question, but what is a DAC (I know iuts a Digital Ananl;ouge Converter, I thinK!), but what does it actually do, and when why would you have one?

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Steve

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Re: DAC question
« Reply #1 on: 5 Oct 2007, 12:53 am »
Any music stored digitally (CD, MP3, FLAC etc.) needs to be converted into an analogue form to be played by stereo  equipment.  Almost all digital devices (CD players, iPods, MP3 players, DVD players, computers) have a built-in DAC that does the job for you and outputs into RCA jacks or a headphone jack. The idea behind an external DAC is that it takes a straight digital signal from the device (if possible) and does a better job of converting the digital source into analogue than the internal DAC that came with whatever device you are using.  If you dig deeper in the forums you can find waaaay more information that you ever wanted to know about how DACs work.
 

caddisgeek

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Re: DAC question
« Reply #2 on: 5 Oct 2007, 12:58 am »
Thanks for the reply, I'll  get out my shovel!

honesthoff

Re: DAC question
« Reply #3 on: 19 Oct 2007, 05:37 pm »
This is probably a stupid question, but what is a DAC (I know iuts a Digital Ananl;ouge Converter, I thinK!), but what does it actually do, and when why would you have one?

Cheers
Steve

DAC is David Allan Coe :thumb:, and if that ain't Country I'll kiss your a**!

John151

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Re: DAC question
« Reply #4 on: 19 Oct 2007, 06:06 pm »
This is an excellent question, and something that was not on my radar screen until I found AudioCircle.  When I first heard about tubed CD players, I was quite confused.  Why would a CD player have tubes!  Made no sense to me, until I did some research (mostly here at AC).  I don't buy into all of the audiophile stuff, such as different sounding power cables, but I am 100% sold on the concept of having a quality DAC (either internal or external).   In fact, this is probably one of the most important aspects of a digitally based system!



JLM

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Re: DAC question
« Reply #5 on: 21 Oct 2007, 11:06 am »
Advantages of having separate transport and DAC:

The transport (or CD player) has mechanical parts to wear out (the tolerances needed to play CD/DVD are very small), but stupidly the drawers seem to break as often as anything else.  Separating out the DAC allows a smaller investment in that half of the source.  Note that I'm referring to the hard drive where a computer is used, even though computer/audio interface products are called transports.

Going separate can allow for a relatively inexpensive upgrade path if you already have a CD player.

Going separate plays into the hobby aspect of audio as it gives you an couple of extra ways to swap/mix/match equipment.  It also looks cooler to have more equipment.  :oops:

Digital source is the newest and so fastest changing technology in audio.  Going with separates reduces the financial investment in either transport or DAC technologies.  For instance once you go with separates you can jump from spinning CDs to ripping them (using your computer).

Top drawer CD players are very expensive (several times the cost of comparable separates).  The price where separates equal the sound quality of CD players keeps dropping.  In fact it could be argued that any "audiophile grade" CD player can be bested by separates at the same price (starting currently at say $300).

Some audiophiles (including well respected ones) feel that almost any decent/modern transport or CD player does not introduce significant distortions, so they recommend investing more in the DAC.  CD players typically invest proportionally more into the transport.

With separates you can introduce digital room equalization in the digital realm (which should be more ideal than after the signal has been converted into analog.

Since small digital signals are very suspectible to "dirty" A/C power, it's easy to use batteries for a low powered DAC if that's a problem where you live.

It generates more business for digital and power cable manufacturers.   :roll:

mark funk

Re: DAC question
« Reply #6 on: 21 Oct 2007, 01:14 pm »
A good place to start before you buy. mother-of-tone.com  Conversion Techniques, it talks about diffant kinds of DACs like R2R and sigma-delta good things to know I think. IMO most engineers drop the ball in the analog filtering and output stage. In some DACs they use tubes in the analog output stage. I had a hard time trying to listen to CDs until I got a good stand alone DAC much better performance! :smoke:

Steve

Re: DAC question
« Reply #7 on: 4 Nov 2007, 12:16 am »
Hi JLM and Mark,

     I recently modded my old Rotel 865bx player, completely bypassing the analog stage. I kept the original outputs so I could compare. I also needed to resistor and poly the outputs, but wow, what an improvement. (I do not do player mods.) The signal level is not that much lower, maybe 6-9 db down. (Caveat: Rotel used blackgates, stock, in the machine, which also helps.)

Might be something looking into. Just a thought.