Just an observation

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Just an observation
« on: 22 Sep 2007, 04:46 pm »
I was sitting in my car under the flight path of airplanes descending towards the runway.  At a certain point in the airplane's descent while the plane was still in front of me. I could hear the plane behind me almost as equally clear as in front as the sound reflected off the brick building behind me.
What does this mean in audio terms? Well I'm not sure, only that refected sound can mimic the source.

 Reflected sound is therefore essential in 2-channel audio to create the proper imaging of stereo.
Unfortunately for me I have never heard 2-channel sound better than MC. But I know now it's because the room is the essential factor in creating the illusion and it's just as important as the speakers. Unfortunately most of us do not have the ideal room for 2-channel stereo.

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hmen

Re: Just an observation
« Reply #1 on: 22 Sep 2007, 05:04 pm »
Really good rooms are extremely rare. That's why treating the room is so important.

bprice2

Re: Just an observation
« Reply #2 on: 22 Sep 2007, 05:09 pm »
What does "MC" mean?

denjo

Re: Just an observation
« Reply #3 on: 22 Sep 2007, 05:11 pm »
Multi-channel.

bprice2

Re: Just an observation
« Reply #4 on: 22 Sep 2007, 05:15 pm »
Gracias!

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Re: Just an observation
« Reply #5 on: 22 Sep 2007, 06:34 pm »
Reflected sound is therefore essential in 2-channel audio to create the proper imaging of stereo. Unfortunately for me I have never heard 2-channel sound better than MC. But I know now it's because the room is the essential factor in creating the illusion and it's just as important as the speakers.

I think what your experience is really telling you is that more than two channels are essential for creating the illusion rather than two channel plus a lot of room reflections.

For example when you say "I could hear the plane behind me almost as equally clear as in front as the sound reflected off the brick building behind me," is that what you really want to hear from your audio system? Do you really want it to sound like the band or orchestra is simultaneously both behind and in front of you?

The likely reason you have never heard two channel sound better than multichannel is because multichannel attempts to capture (or at least synthesize) the ambience of the environment the music was created in. When you're at a live event, what you hear other than the direct sound coming from the instruments is a result of the acoustics of the venue where the event is taking place.

If you rely on two channels plus the reflections created in your listening room, then the acoustics will be that of your listening room. I don't think you'd care much for the sound of a symphony orchestra actually playing in your listening room.

I think two channel audio should simply be accepted for what it is and what it was intended to be, limitations and all. If you want to go beyond that, multichannel is the way to go.

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Re: Just an observation
« Reply #6 on: 22 Sep 2007, 07:16 pm »
Reflected sound is therefore essential in 2-channel audio to create the proper imaging of stereo.

Wrong.

Room reflections cause comb filtering, as off axis sounds arrive later to your ears than the direct sound.

There are also peaks and dips in the frequency response due to room modes that skew the sound.

Neither of these aids in better imaging.

Although speaker's frequency responses are tailored to be used in rooms, the best imaging would be in a space with no secondary reflections (and a speaker that is tailored for a flat response in this scenario).

However, reflections of sound are what gives us localization cues.

But that's a different topic.

Cheers