Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...

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I am fairly new to this whole audiophile addiction thing (9 mos.). My journey begin when I upgraded my Bose 501's to a set of NHT's.....huge difference and my first step on the path to Audio Nirvana. Following the speaker upgrade I then read everything I could get my hands on and decided to go the direction of the Odyssey line. I first added a Stratos with 120 cap upgrade. Following that I added a Candela Pre.....wow, what a difference that made vs. using my old Onkyo receiver as a pre!! I then traded in my NHT's for a pair of Lorelei's.....frankly, this was not a positive move. I lost separation of the music and overall I was completely disappointed not to mention I spent 3x the money for speakers that didn't perform as well. Long story short, yesterday I received my Mono Extreme SE's (Klaus's latest version). I plugged them into the system and...........OMG, I can't even begin to describe my delight. Right out of the box with no break in time these things were absolutely amazing! I hear people talk about soundstage and 3D all the time but frankly I thought it was probably more about the hallucinogens they were on than the system itself. The mono extreme SE difference was as big as my initial speaker upgrade and maybe more so! For the first time I truly hear the music in 3D and with my eyes closed I can specifically point to every instrument. The sound stage is huge and deep. My speakers are 8' apart but the stage is probably double that. I swear the people singing are right in my room.

My test music includes, Cowboy Junkies (The trinity session), Eagles (Hell Freezes over - Hotel California), Jackson Brown (Solo Acoustic Vol. 1), Scott Miller (Days of Reckoning), Johnny Cash (American Recordings), Ray Charles (In Company of Genius) and Bella Sonus. There are many others as well but these tend to be what I take to listen to other systems and if you have never heard of some of these names i assure you will not be disappointed.

What really blows me away is that the monos are out of the box and not remotely even broken in. I can't even imagine what I have to look forward to once they are. I have listened to a lot of systems, and for the money you just can not beat Odyssey IMHO.

One point I will make. The stratos and candela with the Loreleis were not it and I was disappointed. If you are going to go with the Loreleis it is the monos or don't bother. It is a whole other world!

Well, that's all for now, just wanted to start this thread and say thanks to Klaus, Alex, Mike and the gang at Odyssey for exceeding all expectations. Good listening everyone and for anyone in or traveling through Minneapolis, drop me a line and come by for a listen.

Tony

System:
Odyssey Mono Extreme SE's
Odyssey Candela Pre
Odyssey Lorelei mounted on Sound Anchors
Rotel RCD 1072
Spelz Anti-Cables
Spelz Anti-IC's
Stock powercords- no power conditioner
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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #1 on: 19 Sep 2007, 03:56 pm »
Welcome Tony. 

Glad you're enjoying heading down the road to audio madness.  You've taken a big step up. 

Better watch hanging around here too long - you'll be doing all kinds of things before you know it!

Bryan

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #2 on: 19 Sep 2007, 08:06 pm »
Thanks Brian, I guess it is all about the journey after all.

Hey, any idea how to post a pic within the body of a posting.....don't quite get the insert image deal unless I am actually required to cut and past a url? Any ideas?

Thanks and Later,
T

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #3 on: 19 Sep 2007, 09:33 pm »
Tony:

Congratulations!  You have a great system and take Bryan's advice.  Trust me, hanging out here is dangerous for the wallet!

Ken

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #4 on: 19 Sep 2007, 09:41 pm »
Congratulations,,,the mono's just get better and better,,nice system.Have fun. :thumb:

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #5 on: 19 Sep 2007, 10:07 pm »
Absolutely - wait till you get 500 hours on the monos.

For the pic, you'll have to put it in your gallery. I also think you have to have 5 posts to do it.  Go to the BIG pic in your gallery and take than link and embed it.

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #6 on: 19 Sep 2007, 11:39 pm »
Tony I sent you an e-mail. I live in Mpls and would like to hear the Lorelei's(if you're willing)

Thanks
Jeff

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #7 on: 20 Sep 2007, 03:18 am »
Jeff,

No problem. Sent you an email with some suggested ideas. I am equally as interested in your perspective compared to your current set up.

Ken,

Thanks for the advise but hey.........you can't take it with you so what the heck!

Bryan,

First of all sorry for botching the spelling of your name on the last post and thanks for the info on the pictures.....frankly it sounds like a pain in the butt.

All,

I would be interested in anyones thoughts on a source which would be a significant improvement over my Rotel RCD 1072. It is highly unlikely I will spend more than $2500 used. My question is, is there anything that will give me a REAL, SIGNIFICANT upgrade over the Rotel? At this point I am probably going to stick with CD/HDCD only as an option. I know, I know about Vinyl but I have none and don't see that as an option at this point.....maybe in the future but not now. Anyway, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Peace ~ T

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #8 on: 20 Sep 2007, 03:27 am »
Have you thought about the modded SqueezeBox route?  Guarantee you that for half of that $2500, you can have a source that will smoke the Rotel and be much more user friendly.

For pure CD playback, check out the Rega or the Ah!

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #9 on: 22 Sep 2007, 06:39 pm »
Have you thought about the modded SqueezeBox route?  Guarantee you that for half of that $2500, you can have a source that will smoke the Rotel and be much more user friendly.

For pure CD playback, check out the Rega or the Ah!

Bryan

I would also seriously consider the SB route as well in addition to the CD player / transport / DAC route.  I spent ~$2,000 in a transport (Empirical Audio modded CDP as transport) / a Lavry Black DAC last year but would seriously consider a modded SB route today instead.  Regardless lots of good options at your price point. 

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #10 on: 22 Sep 2007, 07:48 pm »
Congrats!  We've got a very similar setup - Monos, Lorelei's, tubed pre (I'm using a deHavilland Ultraverve).  Like Mikey I used to have an EA Modded transport and dac (Scott Nixon tubedac) which I was very fond of.  When I heard all the buzz about the squeezebox I was skeptical but figured I could get into that for about $600 or so modded, try it out, see if it were better and if so sell my other gear and actually be ahead.  I'm now using the squeezebox.  For simply the sake of convenience it's worth it.  The sound quality is great (still have the output running through the tubedac) - and having every track you own at your fingertips is awesome.  No more getting up to flip discs and having cases all over the living room!

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #11 on: 23 Sep 2007, 01:41 pm »
Jeff stopped by yesterday to listen to the Loreleis and brought his Cary 303/200 along.........Thanks Jeff, you just more than confirmed my need for a new source!!!! I have to say, for the money I am still pretty happy with the Rotel but the warmth and depth of the Cary was way beyond where the Rotel will go.

So, what to do??? After a bit more reading and some good suggestions from a number of you, I am first leaning towards a dac. That would allow me to continue to use my Rotel as a transport for now anyway and then further investigate the squeezebox. I am with you completely on convenience of the squeezebox but just need to investigate this more from a sound quality perspective. I went through the phase of putting all my music into digital but made the mistake of not using Loss Less and now I won't even listen to the music off my mp3 because the quality is just not there.

I will likely be hooking up with Van Alstine here in MN to check out his dac options as I have heard some good things. I am curious to here why someone would go with a fully modded squeezebox vs. the squeezebox plus dac?

Thanks again to all that have replied and for the suggestions

Bigfish

Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #12 on: 23 Sep 2007, 02:11 pm »
Jeff stopped by yesterday to listen to the Loreleis and brought his Cary 303/200 along.........Thanks Jeff, you just more than confirmed my need for a new source!!!! I have to say, for the money I am still pretty happy with the Rotel but the warmth and depth of the Cary was way beyond where the Rotel will go.

So, what to do??? After a bit more reading and some good suggestions from a number of you, I am first leaning towards a dac. That would allow me to continue to use my Rotel as a transport for now anyway and then further investigate the squeezebox. I am with you completely on convenience of the squeezebox but just need to investigate this more from a sound quality perspective. I went through the phase of putting all my music into digital but made the mistake of not using Loss Less and now I won't even listen to the music off my mp3 because the quality is just not there.

I will likely be hooking up with Van Alstine here in MN to check out his dac options as I have heard some good things. I am curious to here why someone would go with a fully modded squeezebox vs. the squeezebox plus dac?

Thanks again to all that have replied and for the suggestions

T:

The guys on this Circle that have or have heard a fully modded Squeezebox, with high-end power supply and Burson Buffer claim the sound is as good or better than you can obtain from a very high end CDP.  Once they make the mods and add the power supply plus Buffer most of the guys are running direct from the Squeezebox to their amps - eliminating the preamp.  There are several guys on this Circle that are using the Squeezebox in this manner and they are using the modified Squeezebox for sound quality, for the amount of money invested, not just for the convenience factors. 

The opposing view is that you are taking a $300.00 gizmo and trying to make a piece of high-end gear through mods.  Potentially, a year from now there will be a new streaming player on the market and if you decide you want one, the highly modded Squeezebox may not be worth very much.  While the sound quality may not be quite as good some elect to run the Squeezebox into a DAC.  This option provides acceptable sound from a $300.00 Squeezebox and they feel they potentially have something that will be more valuable down the road.

Personally, I have chosen to go the route of a highly modified Squeezebox.  I am purchasing a 2 channel system to produce the highest quality music reproduction for a system that I can afford.  If I can have the sound quality of the very best CDPs plus the convenience factors I believe the Squeezebox to be a reasonable choice.  I also realize that 2 months from now there is the probability of a new and improved gizmo but the quality of my sound will still be pretty darn good.  If you decide to go the route of a highly modified S3 you should estimate the following costs:

1.  Squeezebox -- $300.00
2.  Power Supply -$150.00 to $1500.00 (including cords)
3.  Squeezebox mods - $250 - $1000.00
4.  Burson Buffer - $400.00 (as shipped) to ?? modified

Don't forget that most people that chose to go this route are eliminating an expensive preamp.  This of course eliminates ICs and a PC and the claim is that the sound is superior without the Preamp.  Anyway, good luck on your decision as I understand how difficult it is to make.

Ken



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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #13 on: 23 Sep 2007, 02:17 pm »
I have all my Cd's burnt as mp3 (1800-1990) so i can listen to them at work but with a 110db noise ceiling (earplugs required) i do not think i am missing much. I Have a wireless g mode network setup and really think ill be going the squeeze box way in the near future just for the convince hard drive prices just keep going down.  I just find the task of burning all those cd's to flac a pain in the ars but once i get stared ill get in the mood. Odyssey gear is good stuff.   

Jeff stopped by yesterday to listen to the Loreleis and brought his Cary 303/200 along.........Thanks Jeff, you just more than confirmed my need for a new source!!!! I have to say, for the money I am still pretty happy with the Rotel but the warmth and depth of the Cary was way beyond where the Rotel will go.

So, what to do??? After a bit more reading and some good suggestions from a number of you, I am first leaning towards a dac. That would allow me to continue to use my Rotel as a transport for now anyway and then further investigate the squeezebox. I am with you completely on convenience of the squeezebox but just need to investigate this more from a sound quality perspective. I went through the phase of putting all my music into digital but made the mistake of not using Loss Less and now I won't even listen to the music off my mp3 because the quality is just not there.

I will likely be hooking up with Van Alstine here in MN to check out his dac options as I have heard some good things. I am curious to here why someone would go with a fully modded squeezebox vs. the squeezebox plus dac?

Thanks again to all that have replied and for the suggestions

denjo

Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #14 on: 23 Sep 2007, 02:21 pm »
I chose stock SB3 digital out into an Altmann Attraction DAC, both SB3 and Altmann powered by Paul Hynes shunt regulated PSU. No desire for any further upgrade!

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #15 on: 23 Sep 2007, 02:36 pm »
Tony, I'm one of those making the claims Ken mentioned.  A quick perusal of threads regarding the Bolder-modified SB paired with an Ultimate power supply should lend all the credence to the concept you'll need.

In my and many other's opinion, the sound of the Bolder SB/Ultimate PS is as good as it gets, or at least it's in the ballpark.  I no longer own one, but back then I said I'd have no problem pitting my unit against any digital rig extant, regardless of price.  And yes, I've heard a lot of the nicer, high-priced sources and transport/DAC combos available (full dCS stacks, NAIM, Ayre, etc.).

Granted, whether something 'sounds' right is the very definition of subjective, but I think you'll be hard-pressed to find any audio component - source, DAC, amp, cable or speaker - that's closer to receiving unanimous acclaim and acceptance as the Bolder combo.

Can something be released next week that will embody all the goodness of the Bolder combo, but do one thing or another better?  Sure, but then that's always the case, and I doubt it'll happen anyway. 

Thing is, *ALL* manufacturers build to a price point, and in doing so, corners are cut.  Conversely, Wayne's approach is to make it the best he knows how irrespective of price, and judging by my experience and that of others, I'd say he's done a darn fine job.  And the kicker is this - because the SB is so inexpensive to begin with, Wayne can sell even the most tricked-out SB/Ultimate PS combo for a tiny fraction of what it'd cost you to find something approximating the quality of music reproduction.

You've virtually nothing to lose in going with a Bolder source IMHO, but there is potentially a great deal to be gained.

FWIW... :wink:

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Re: Odyssey System Near Complete - Thanks Klaus, Alex, Mike...
« Reply #16 on: 23 Sep 2007, 06:15 pm »
Hi All,

I am fairly new to this whole audiophile addiction thing (9 mos.). My journey begin when I upgraded my Bose 501's to a set of NHT's.....huge difference and my first step on the path to Audio Nirvana. Following the speaker upgrade I then read everything I could get my hands on and decided to go the direction of the Odyssey line. I first added a Stratos with 120 cap upgrade. Following that I added a Candela Pre.....wow, what a difference that made vs. using my old Onkyo receiver as a pre!! I then traded in my NHT's for a pair of Lorelei's.....frankly, this was not a positive move. I lost separation of the music and overall I was completely disappointed not to mention I spent 3x the money for speakers that didn't perform as well. Long story short, yesterday I received my Mono Extreme SE's (Klaus's latest version). I plugged them into the system and...........OMG, I can't even begin to describe my delight. Right out of the box with no break in time these things were absolutely amazing! I hear people talk about soundstage and 3D all the time but frankly I thought it was probably more about the hallucinogens they were on than the system itself. The mono extreme SE difference was as big as my initial speaker upgrade and maybe more so! For the first time I truly hear the music in 3D and with my eyes closed I can specifically point to every instrument. The sound stage is huge and deep. My speakers are 8' apart but the stage is probably double that. I swear the people singing are right in my room.

One point I will make. The stratos and candela with the Loreleis were not it and I was disappointed. If you are going to go with the Loreleis it is the monos or don't bother. It is a whole other world!



Hi Tony,

Welcome to AudioCircle!  :thumb: Boy you had me going there for a second with your initial reactions to the Lorelei's. And you got a reaction from me with your upgrade from the Bose 501's. My old system was a 5.1 system of Bose 10.2 mains, VCS-10 center, 4.2 rears and I loved them for over 10 years. But I'm in a different world now, a world that you did a great job in describing I might add. My system is now a 6.1 system with Lorelei's front & rear and Usher X-616 center's front & rear (thanks Byteme!). My system is heavily power conditioned with a Sunfire Theater Grand 4 and Butler Audio TDB-3150 tube hybrid amps. Even after 4 years, I still get the same reactions that you described when I listen to my Lorelei's ( I shut down the Usher's with music) I believe in Klaus's belief that system synergy as I'm sure you now do. I got lucky with my choices,,, congratulations on yours.  :thumb:

Robin

PS, I use a HTPC computer w/M-Audio Revolution 7.1 soundcard and use WMA variable bit rate Q-9 downloading,,, about 1/3 more hard drive than CD but close to twice the bite rate(in the 300+Kbps range) verses CD(192Kbps). I'm sure lossless is better but I'll bet not by much for 3 times the cost. 2700+ albums stored on 2 hard drives beats the hell outta CD storage.  :lol: I threw my CDP away.
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