Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?

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Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?
« on: 25 Aug 2007, 01:52 pm »
I just purchased a KingRex T20U T-class amp, but I need a pair of speakers to go with it!
Has anyone got any recommendations for cheap, small speakers (suitable for use on a desk, and good for listening to while sitting at the desk) that go well with the T20U?

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Re: Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?
« Reply #1 on: 25 Aug 2007, 04:15 pm »
Welcome decryption,

The KingRex T20U is another digital chip amp, good for about 8 watts per channel at 8 ohms.  (How I wish someone would make one of these with multiple inputs.)

What types of music?  How loud?  How big of room?  What's your budget?  What sonic attributes do you like/dislike?  Do you have plans to add a subwoofer later on?

Regardless you'll want fairly high efficiency speakers (rated at least 92 dB/w/m at 8 ohms) to provide the needed "commanding grip" on the speakers from this small amp (for better dynamics and resolution).  Small and efficient aren't a great match according to the laws of physics.  Desktop listening will help.

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Re: Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?
« Reply #2 on: 25 Aug 2007, 11:27 pm »
Budget - AU$300-$400 max
Not very loud, it's a small room I'm listening in.
I listen to rock/alternative music most of the time.
No plans for a subwoofer - I'm after some clean, crisp and clear speakers, nothing too bassy, but not too harsh. Clarity is what I'm after here :)

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Re: Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?
« Reply #3 on: 26 Aug 2007, 10:50 am »
For lower volumes and rock (not dynamic) music where clarity and lack of harshness is important efficiency is less important, but coherency is more important.  You'll need to look for drivers with shielded magnets to avoid ruining the monitor.  So I'd recommend a shielded single driver speaker.  The single driver will have limited bass, will beam extreme high frequencies (so you can turn them away from you if still too much), will be cheaper (one driver, not two and no crossover), will put your limited power output to maximum use (no crossover to steal power and "hide behind"), allows the amp to have a "direct view" of the speaker load for best performance, and most importantly will provide coherency of all frequencies coming from the same driver (you won't hear the sound jumping from woofer to tweeter).

A good example of a small (less than 13 cm per side) single driver speaker is the TBI Majestic Diamond micro monitors (may be a bit beyond your price range) but are marketed with the original little digital amp.  The company is best known for their amazingly/fast subwoofers.  Here some links:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/tbi2/diamond.html
http://www.tbisound.com/

If you look around Audio Circle you'll find these good, small, inexpensive speakers but they're not highly efficient:

http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=82.1
http://goodsound.com/equipment/av123_xls_xsub.htm

In fact, Good Sound is a good site to find quality, inexpensive gear:  http://goodsound.com/equipment/

Unfortunately most speakers retail about 10 - 30 times what the drivers/crossover parts cost.  Buying direct helps.  But in many cases you pay more for finishes than the sound.  So another obvious option is to DIY.  Parts Express sells pre-built/finished cabinets and all the bits needed to finish them (even has replacement baffles available in case of "mistakes".  From a glance, the smallest cabinet and this driver looks "interesting" while appearing to meet all the criteria:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=302-702
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-820

A sealed design seems possible (I'm not a speaker designer) which would only require drilling a single hole for the driver and two small holes for wires, and connecting wires to the driver.  As a single driver design, construction couldn't be easier, but you'll need some design help.  Here's a good primer/calculator:

http://www.mhsoft.nl/SpeakerCalculator/index.html

Note that most of the small/efficient Fostex brand of extended range drivers sound thin, especially when pushed hard.  The FE127E is 11.5 cm diameter, shielded, and the classic example of what I'm saying.

Parts Express also has entire speaker kits (but are too low of efficiency for your amp).  Unfortunately I don't know of a good small, relatively efficient, single driver speaker kit. 

Hope all this gives you some ideas.

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Re: Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?
« Reply #4 on: 31 Aug 2007, 12:24 am »
Try John Blue JB3. Around USD 350 a pair. I'm using them with T20U. Somewhat bass shy but enough for desktop near field listening. Incredible soundstage and resolution when I sit back at the sweet spot.
http://www.johnblue-audio.com/

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Re: Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?
« Reply #5 on: 2 Sep 2007, 12:38 pm »
Thanks for the replies guys :D

I got myself a pair of Visaton VOX-80 speakers. Don't know if they're any good, but for $210 plus my time to make them, I'm willing to find out: http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/p/V-5940/VOX+80+-+Pair

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Re: Small Speakers to Match KingRex T20U?
« Reply #6 on: 3 Sep 2007, 04:51 pm »
Gee they're awful cute. 

Seems like overkill though to use 4 drivers to get 80 - 22,000 Hz at 4 ohms and 80 dB/w/m.  Kinda like craving an elephant on a grain of rice.