Op-amps and Buffers...

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Op-amps and Buffers...
« on: 22 Aug 2007, 02:25 am »
I have used a Burson Buffer and found it to consistently make a nice sonic enhancement. I would like to receive some basic information please, on why this can happen. I already use very short cables, and also follow the "load impedance should be at least 10 times the source impedance" principle between my line level equipment - but the Buffer still makes an audible improvement (even after level-matching, since the Buffer provides 6db of gain).

I remembered a Steve Eddy quote from a different thread that also left me wondering about this:

...Burson says that it's the high output impedance of the CD player that's limiting dynamics. But if that's the case, then as I said, since the output impedance of the CD player itself hasn't changed, then the dynamics will have already been limited at the CD player's output and there's nothing the buffer can do at that point. It can't add dynamics that weren't already there at its input...

Can somebody please try to explain to me, how the Burson Buffer (or any standalone audio buffer) can provide the sonic improvement I'm hearing? What is the reason (in basic terms) why this can happen, even when proper impedance matching (as described above) has already been done. After all, the source equipment op-amps are still in place, and the Buffer simply follows them.

Thanks in advance to all that reply.

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It has nothing to do with impedance matching...........
« Reply #1 on: 22 Aug 2007, 07:14 am »
It does have to do with the driving impedance. (Impedance matching in audio is bogus.) Lower impedance usually has more "oomph".

Too low can sound rough, so while you will hear lots of explanations as to how low it sound be and why, just remember.......

It all depends on the system.

Typical values may run from as low as (say) 10 ohms, up to 100 ohms or so. Although I have used higher values.

In the case of a CD player..............

They sometimes benefit from an additional stage on the output. Serves to knock down some of the ultrasonic crap that comes out of them. (Which is why some CD players may use a higher output impedance.......giving up some "oomph" in order to soften things a bit.)

Pat

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Re: Op-amps and Buffers...
« Reply #2 on: 22 Aug 2007, 01:58 pm »
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As they say in the Geico commercials.........
« Reply #3 on: 22 Aug 2007, 02:28 pm »
"What?"

Uh......using a build-out resistor to isolate capacitive loads prevents oscillations. It has nothing to do with "running out of steam". Any op-amp that can not drive a cable and a 10K load would never sound good enough to used in even the cheapest player out of China.

Pat

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Re: Op-amps and Buffers...
« Reply #4 on: 22 Aug 2007, 07:45 pm »

Not easy to say why something may sound better to someone. Until you can first establish an actual audible difference, all one can do is speculate. And while that can be fun, it doesn't really get you any closer to a definitive answer.

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Re: Op-amps and Buffers...
« Reply #5 on: 23 Aug 2007, 04:39 am »
I'd like to thank NewBuy for raising this question and also add another:   What does the BB do that a good active pre does not do? 

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Re: Op-amps and Buffers...
« Reply #6 on: 23 Aug 2007, 04:51 am »
I'd like to thank NewBuy for raising this question and also add another:   What does the BB do that a good active pre does not do?

Creates a larger market for interconnects? :icon_twisted:

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