New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?

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Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #20 on: 25 Aug 2007, 04:21 pm »
There is a 30 day free trial...if anyone would like to try it.

http://www.poikosoft.com/

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Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #21 on: 25 Aug 2007, 04:33 pm »
Check this out. It worked like a "charm" for me. I ripped 850 CDs to FLAc format in under 1 week!

http://www.mfdigital.com/baxter.html

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« Reply #22 on: 25 Aug 2007, 05:53 pm »
Looks nice, but considering the price (~$700), it certainly ought to be good.  :o

Given the option, I'd choose to rip with Easy CD/DA Extractor and pocket the $660 savings.  But since neither works with OSX, I'm not afforded the luxury of choosing either. 

BTW, were you required to load a 3rd party add-on to rip to FLAC?  I ask because I didn't see any mention of FLAC in the user's manual.  All I found was this -

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Batch Rip CDs to MP3, WMA, WMA lossless, WAV, or AIFF.

Karsten

Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #23 on: 25 Aug 2007, 08:40 pm »
For audio I really prefer Windows Vista, no hassle with drivers, software etc. The Media Player really sounds good and has great functionality.Furthermore the Vista volume control works better than most preamps with practically no coloration, great extention and dynamics.

I use the Trends UD-10 connected to a good DAC which is directly hooked up to my power amps. Sound quality wise it it quite a bit better than any Slim Devices product I have tested, and more user friendly for that matter. I have a dedicated notebook for audio.

Karsten

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« Reply #24 on: 26 Aug 2007, 02:36 am »
Faster or slower, if he is correct that it is using MP3 as an intermediate step, I'm out.  I can't believe they'd do that but maybe so.

People make EAC sound like it's a real PITA to set up.  It's really not.  It does take a little time ONCE.  After that, it just runs.  It's not a stallion but it makes excellent copies which to me is what it's all about.

Bryan

I'm pretty sure that I am accurate. How I discovered it was that after I ripped a disc, I went to my external drive to verify everything was there and correct on the new folder (the contents were the CD that had been ripped.)

The files were showing as MP3 files, not as FLAC files as the program indicated they should be. To double check, I opened the files with Foobar, and they played the files as 128K mp3 files.  Then I noticed that there was a separate conversion tab in Easy CD Creator, so I tried converting the files (drag and drop) and they showed as FLAC after conversion.  When played in Foobar, they showed as 800-900K files.

I'll stick with EAC...it may work slower for others, but it is easier, and at least I am sure of what  am getting.


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Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #25 on: 26 Aug 2007, 03:41 am »
Faster or slower, if he is correct that it is using MP3 as an intermediate step, I'm out.  I can't believe they'd do that but maybe so.

People make EAC sound like it's a real PITA to set up.  It's really not.  It does take a little time ONCE.  After that, it just runs.  It's not a stallion but it makes excellent copies which to me is what it's all about.

Bryan

I'm pretty sure that I am accurate. How I discovered it was that after I ripped a disc, I went to my external drive to verify everything was there and correct on the new folder (the contents were the CD that had been ripped.)

The files were showing as MP3 files, not as FLAC files as the program indicated they should be. To double check, I opened the files with Foobar, and they played the files as 128K mp3 files.  Then I noticed that there was a separate conversion tab in Easy CD Creator, so I tried converting the files (drag and drop) and they showed as FLAC after conversion.  When played in Foobar, they showed as 800-900K files.

I'll stick with EAC...it may work slower for others, but it is easier, and at least I am sure of what  am getting.



I much prefer Easy CD to EAC. Under the Audio CD Ripper tab, then Output tab on the bottom, then Output Format, I choose flac and the compression level and that's it. For those not familiar with Easy CD, it also has an Audio File Format Converter, Audio CD Creator and MP3/WMA CD Creator. This software is pretty good and worth the money IMO.

Nels Ferre

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« Reply #26 on: 26 Aug 2007, 03:58 am »


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I much prefer Easy CD to EAC. Under the Audio CD Ripper tab, then Output tab on the bottom, then Output Format, I choose flac and the compression level and that's it. For those not familiar with Easy CD, it also has an Audio File Format Converter, Audio CD Creator and MP3/WMA CD Creator. This software is pretty good and worth the money IMO.
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I did that, and I expected FLAC files on my hard drive. They showed as MP3 and played back as 128K MP3 files until they were converted with the second tab, which is Audio File Format Converter. If you didn't do the second step, you might want to check your files.

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Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #27 on: 26 Aug 2007, 04:19 am »


I did that, and I expected FLAC files on my hard drive. They showed as MP3 and played back as 128K MP3 files until they were converted with the second tab, which is Audio File Format Converter. If you didn't do the second step, you might want to check your files.

How does one convert a 128k MP3 file and end up with something listenable; where is the extra data coming from?    Something is amiss here.  Easy CD-DA cannot possibly sell a product that converts to MP3 during the process, yet claims to have lossless FLAC at the other end.   It just can't happen.   :?

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« Reply #28 on: 26 Aug 2007, 05:38 am »
I haven't used Easy CD in a few months. Had all my CD's ripped  a few months ago by Tirade as I didn't want to spend any more time on all that. As I recall it, I put a disc in the drive and Easy rips it and wav files appear. I then click and drag (which is a bit tedious) and tell Easy to convert to flac and whatever compression level I choose (which is level 5). I've never had MP3 files show up and have never seen 'em on my hard drive. Not sure how that would occur, but for those like me who dislike EAC, Easy is worth a free trial.

Nels Ferre

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« Reply #29 on: 26 Aug 2007, 01:02 pm »

How does one convert a 128k MP3 file and end up with something listenable; where is the extra data coming from?    Something is amiss here.  Easy CD-DA cannot possibly sell a product that converts to MP3 during the process, yet claims to have lossless FLAC at the other end.   It just can't happen.   :?

You and I are thinking the exact same thing. I expected the first tab to rip and convert to FLAC in one step like EAC does but it does not appear to do that. Eventhough I had it set for FLAC at the lower left corner of the ripping screen, I ended up with MP3.  Something does seem wrong.  Maybe the program has changed- I was trying the 30 day trial version before I bought it. I figured it would be "all that"- rip a few CDs, check it out, and buy the program.  It didn't work out that way.

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« Reply #30 on: 26 Aug 2007, 03:40 pm »
How does one convert a 128k MP3 file and end up with something listenable; where is the extra data coming from?    Something is amiss here.  Easy CD-DA cannot possibly sell a product that converts to MP3 during the process, yet claims to have lossless FLAC at the other end.   It just can't happen.   :?

Precisely!  :thumb:

Something is wrong in your settings, Nels.  As myself and others have stated, Easy CD allows you to quickly, easily and accurately rip CDs, XRCDs and HDCDs to FLAC in a single step.  I know this because I've ripped hundreds of discs with it, and yes, I know the resulting files are FLAC.  Obviously it isn't required, but my BS is in computer science and my wife is a network admin.  We haven't a problem identifying files or file extensions.

I've also done bit-for-bit comparisons between FLAC files produced by EAC and Easy CD, and they were identical to the last bit.  Consequently, it should come as no surprise that we could hear no difference between the files.

You say you're sticking with EAC and that's probably best.  It'll do the job nicely, and you're clearly more comfortable with it.  Even so, what you're asserting is incongruous with my experience and that of others here and elsewhere. 

IME and opinion, it would be a shame for someone else to avoid the program based on your experience.  I'd pay $200 for an OSX version.  That's how much I think of it.


Nels Ferre

Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #31 on: 26 Aug 2007, 05:13 pm »
How does one convert a 128k MP3 file and end up with something listenable; where is the extra data coming from?    Something is amiss here.  Easy CD-DA cannot possibly sell a product that converts to MP3 during the process, yet claims to have lossless FLAC at the other end.   It just can't happen.   :?

Precisely!  :thumb:

Something is wrong in your settings, Nels.  As myself and others have stated, Easy CD allows you to quickly, easily and accurately rip CDs, XRCDs and HDCDs to FLAC in a single step.  I know this because I've ripped hundreds of discs with it, and yes, I know the resulting files are FLAC.  Obviously it isn't required, but my BS is in computer science and my wife is a network admin.  We haven't a problem identifying files or file extensions.

I've also done bit-for-bit comparisons between FLAC files produced by EAC and Easy CD, and they were identical to the last bit.  Consequently, it should come as no surprise that we could hear no difference between the files.

You say you're sticking with EAC and that's probably best.  It'll do the job nicely, and you're clearly more comfortable with it.  Even so, what you're asserting is incongruous with my experience and that of others here and elsewhere. 

IME and opinion, it would be a shame for someone else to avoid the program based on your experience.  I'd pay $200 for an OSX version.  That's how much I think of it.



Agreed on all counts. I can't understand what I did wrong: Easy CD seems so intuitive and. well, easy.

Agreed as well on the desire for programs for OSX.  My wife is a Mac person, and I am getting slowly won over to Mac (I am writing this on her Macbook) but the lack of programs that I wanted forced me to use my PC for audio.
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Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #32 on: 26 Aug 2007, 06:26 pm »
Agreed as well on the desire for programs for OSX.  My wife is a Mac person, and I am getting slowly won over to Mac (I am writing this on her Macbook) but the laxk of programs that I wanted forced me to use my PC for audio.

It's getting better.  I recently received the latest iWork programs, and now I can read, edit, etc. Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Rich Text files natively.  The software improvements in concert with the move to Intel processors has opened a whole world of possibilities for Mac users.  For now, I'm just pleased I no longer need Open Office to read and manipulate my old MS Office files!   :green:

'Course, you can always load a MS operating system on the new Macs, but I'm determined to abstain if at all possible.  I've never been more pleased with a computer, and in my particular situation I feel I'd be foolish to load MS programs onto my computer when 20+ years of using those same programs are what led me to switch to Mac in the first place.

Still, after having used computers with MS-based operating systems exclusively for over 20 years, I occasionally find myself wishing I could use one program or another.  But those times are becoming less frequent, and even when it does happen, I get over it relatively quickly.  :wink:

As for Easy CD, obviously it's your call, Nels, and EAC is a fine program.  Still, I encourage you to check with Mike Galusha before ditching it for good.  It really is an excellent program.

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Re: New PC Based Front End..What Do you think?
« Reply #33 on: 6 Sep 2007, 11:28 pm »
I Just tried the demo program, and it outputs 880kb/s flac level 8 files to my hd while ripping direct to file.

First I installed FLAC from sourceforge.
Then I installed Easy cd-da. (Set all converter parameters to .flac level 8 and all settings to "unicode".

Set all parameters, I believe like Nels, and I got flac files.. no sign of mp3...
I did a test:
While reading I opened a file in Audacity, and it said "importing mp3.."
But upon checking the mp3 was in mono, 24khz non playable and just static...
So some programs obviously mistake it as an mp3, but it is obviously not!
Some levels of mp3 are very close to .flac (maybe some programs will be able to play them, and tell you by fault its an mp3, like my test with and older audacity shows)
Foobar plays it directly after ripping as a FLAC level 8. No sign of a functional mp3 file anywhere here at least!
(reference libFLAC 1.1.4 20070213)

I'm not getting the strange file anomaly here Nels!  :dunno:
Audacity thinks it is an mp3... VLC and Foobar plays it back as 880kb/s FLAC level 8 (best quality) as set in the ripper by me.

I'm using a Plextor PX - 760A and it works here!
I think something went wrong maybe during install on you computer, Nels?
I'd remove all signs of easy cd-da, install FLAC from Sourceforge FIRST!!! Run it at least one time to make sure the system knows it's there and let it use it's dll...
Then Install Easy CD-DA and try it again. You must have skipped something... I think.

One should always have "handy" the original program installed correctly, so if Easy CD-DA is running it can at least access it's codec parameters.
Placing and installing codecs correctly is vital. The name has to be right, and it has to be at the right place!
You could read here: http://flac.sourceforge.net/

Also... when one installs programs that share a lot of the file abilities it is vital to make
sure you don't have more than one "associate with" program for each file type...

If you install say 5 mediaplayers in a row, after a while it will be a mess as to what programs gets the "dibs" for playing around with what file .extension ...

Say if you wanna use a iso handling program, it best be the only one installed at the time...
I once had 3 virtual disc or iso-mount programs installed at one time... it did not work out well!
I could burn a cd-r, but not read it from the same station!!! Strange fault! But after removing two of the programs it was gone. I don't know why! Maybe some software conflict at some level.

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« Last Edit: 7 Sep 2007, 12:22 am by Imperial »