[cametz]

If anyone is bored this is interesting reading. I know my amp purchase is on hold.  http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292828

Clyde

Oh, here is another!   http://2eyespy.tripod.com/myaudioandhometheaterhomepage/id3.html

[Hantra]

At the risk of gratifying a flamebaiter, I will say to that guy if you are anywhere near NC, roll on by, and I will do some blind tests for you.  If he can't tell which amp is which, then proceed directly to the NC School for the Deaf, and enroll. .

People like that are amazing. . . hehe

Thanks for the laugh. .

B

[Pez]

Blah Blah Blah  YOU DO HAVE A GOOD POINT NOW LEAVE IT AT THAT

[warnerwh]

Very interesting.  The point being made about the right side of the brain not being used in a DBX makes good sense to me.  Recently I made a definite improvement changing cables between my amp and pre. Changed dacs a couple of months ago and cymbals sounded harsh and unnatural along with alot of the highs. Tried moving my speakers, adjusting the pots and adjusting the putty (VMPS speakers) all to no avail. Put in a different cable between the amp and preamp, now they sound natural again.  No doubt in my mind. Been into audio for 30 years and just came around from the skeptic side on amps a couple of years ago and with cables I'm truly amazed at the recent improvement.  Cost me 40 bucks for the Analysis plus IC that made the system sound right again.  Wouldn't spend any serious money that direction. Also tried some DH labs speaker cable and sound is more coherent.  I listen to this system pretty much daily and am very attuned to it's sound, more than I have ever been.  This may also be where the DBX tests lose some credibility.  Some of it is almost like a feeling, not something that jumps out at you.

[satfrat]

If anyone is bored this is interesting reading. I know my amp purchase is on hold.  http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292828

Clyde

Oh, here is another!   http://2eyespy.tripod.com/myaudioandhometheaterhomepage/id3.html

                                 Hey Clyde, when are you going to share something other than flamebait with AC, like your system? You were asked once before, I`m asking again, whatsha running for gear? Regards, Robin

[nathanm]

What amps do blind people think are the best I wonder?  They will not have nearly the psychological issues that a sighted person would.

[Marbles]

What amps do blind people think are the best I wonder?  They will not have nearly the psychological issues that a sighted person would.

I think we should tell them they are UBER expensive and charge them for it, then give them crap...since they can't tell the difference!

[cametz]

Hantra
"At the risk of gratifying a flamebaiter"

 Not at all Hantra. It just from my prospective, that of inexperience, that I share another view point I found, up to this point I never saw before. I'm sure with you and others here, that have more experience with audio, that the viewpoint mentioned insn't new. But all I been reading is how one amplifier differs from another, how tubes are warmer than ss, that digital gives more clarity etc. So to find views that dbt make it difficult to hear a difference was baffeling and that's what was shared. If I was anywhere near you I would love to hear your system, but thank you for the invitation. I do believe that that is the best way to detremine what sounds good to you. At present I havent had the opptunity.

I read about the Los Angles group (Mad Dog, Sa-dono, Shokunin and others) that have auditions often and  think, one, that It would be nice to be in Los Angles to hear different eqipment from people who know audio and second, I can't help to think there having way to much fun to be legal....Ok, just kidding guys!

Satfrat

"Hey Clyde, when are you going to share something other than flamebait with AC, like your system? "

Well I really havent had anything to list. As I said above I have just started with this hobbie. But because of a lot of reading here and elsewhere I have receintly ordered: VMPS RM2, LRC, and the new dipole surrounds which I should have in Oct.  I will start running them with the Kenwood 6070 which I have and the Denon 2900 DVD/SACD/DVD-A

Warnerwh

"Been into audio for 30 years and just came around from the skeptic side on amps a couple of years ago..."

I'm just trying to learn from every other persons experience.

Clyde

[satfrat]

Hi Clyde, thanks for sharing, it`s always nice to know the gear of a person who comes into a forum with threads that question the audiophiles ability`s to judge, amplifier`s, wires, pc`s, etc as you have in your first 5 posts. I feel that ppl who do this are more or less trying to stir up trouble than they are acually looking for answers. You have a nice set of speakers there, should make for a nice HT, it`s a shame tho that the Kenwood while having such a quality amp doesn`t have on screen graphics. But given the choice, I`d take the amp and that`s one of te reasons why I`m unloading my Yamaha HTR-5490. While this receiver has all the bell & whistles and a sonicly quality amp, it`s power ratings don`t cut it. Yamaha`s 80 wpc x 6 channels, measures more like 47 watts, not even in the ballpark of it`s specifications. So I`m moving up to high end separates, regardless of your threads. I suggest you let your ears do the judging instead of someone elses, IMHO. Regards, Robin

[warnerwh]

Cametz:    I read too many articles on how cables and amplifers CAN't sound different.  After I put in the Analysis plus IC between my amp and pre the difference was so profound I can't look at it that way any more. I had tried turning the treble and even the mid pot down on my speakers only to have lower levels of the same problem.  I still wouldn't spend alot of money on wire but just ordered some used Analysis plus speaker cable. If it's obviously better than the DH labs I have in there now I'll keep it, if not it goes back up on Audiogon.  Part of my point is you can buy used cable, if you don't like it just resell it. You'll be out nothing or close to it.  It's a cheap and easy way to find out for yourself which is the only one important.
    I once bought a 100wpc Carver amplifier just to toy with. Put it in my system and the difference was obvious and awful.  An audiophile friend I met through an Ebay deal asked me what I thought of the Carver and I told him it ruined the soundstage and sounded loose and rough. He also was in the camp of "all amplifiers sound the same". He bought one and tried it with the same result I had.  Don't try to listen too hard, just let yourself relax when you change components and you will get a feel for these differences because sometimes the difference may not jump out like the Carver amp did.  Being new I can see where you would be skeptical but look at all the people who know better, something I overlooked. Also the prices of this stuff can give you sticker shock.  Certainly wires that cost several hundred dollars or even thousands are most likely ripoffs but I'm sure some are worth it in some systems.  Remember though that your speakers are your most important component and your ROOM is next.
     Great choice on the VMPS speakers. Please be prepared to go through a learning curve to properly tune them. They are like no other I've seen.  You can get plenty of help on the VMPS forum and from Brian himself with just a phone call. He's a great guy with outstanding customer service.  You'll also be pleased at the sound you get for what you paid, certainly of the very best sound per dollar available, period.   Welcome to audiophiledome!

[Rob Babcock]

Let me get this straight: your friend thought the amp sounded awful, to he ran out and bought one?     Man, I gotta open an audio store!