Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.

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bundee1

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I finally got the second Monarchy SM-70Pro Ive been wanting for a long time. Now I have them running as monoblocks.
Here is my current system and its sound:

Onyx XCD99 cd player w/VH Audio Flavor 1 power cord
VH Audio Pulsars
Luminous Audio Axiom passive preamp
VH Audio Pulsars
2 Monarchy SM-70Pros Class A 80wpc monoblocks w/generic power cords
Synergistic Research Alpha speaker cables
JM Labs Chorus 706 speakers 89db 8ohms

Room is a 12x11 box

Sound:
Instruments sound fuller and stand out in relief against the black background. Vocals are larger with more presence. The bass is very strong but not tight. The sound to me seems very black and white and flat. The soundstage is flat and narrow.

Old system:
Music Hall MMF CD25 w/ VH Audio Flavor 1 power cord
VH Audio Pulsar
Luminous Audio Axiom Passive Preamp
VH Audio Pulsar
Single Monarchy SM-70Pro Class A 25wpc Stereo amp w/ VH Audio Flavor 2 pc
Synergistic Research Alpha speaker cables
JM Labs Chorus 706 speakers 89db 8ohms

Room:
12x18 open ended room with system on short wall and open end opposite stereo.

Sound:
Very sweet, warm sound with good high and wide soundstage. Bass was less pronounced but accepatable and instruments not as solid and vocals not as large.

What do you think made the biggest difference to the sound?
Power cables for amps
Room
Cd player (I think the Music Hall and Onyx are the same player with the exception of an opamp)

Thanks!


mcullinan

Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #1 on: 27 Jun 2007, 02:40 am »
Did you allow for break-in time? Run for 200 hours plus.. The room size could also have a big effect on the sound... Maybe something is inverting phase? try reversing pos/negative at speaker terminals. Someone made the suggestion to me and it made a big difference in my setup
Mike

bundee1

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Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #2 on: 27 Jun 2007, 02:45 am »
I think the outputs are reversed on the Monarchys but since they are monoblocks there is only one way to connect them, right? Well at least according to the instructions there is only one way. I tested to see if the channels are reversed but Staiway to Heaven had the guitar on the correct channel.

The amps are both used so they should be broken in.

Any other suggestions?

JoshK

Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #3 on: 27 Jun 2007, 03:23 am »
Personally, I think the difference is more marked in tube amps than SS amps. Just my $.02.

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« Reply #4 on: 27 Jun 2007, 10:23 am »
Could be a phase issue (black and red interconnects switched).  Some interconnects are directional too.  This would be the easiest thing to look for.  But I doubt that there's a phase problem.

I'd certainly expect the room to make a difference with bass reproduction and collapsed soundstage.  How are speakers/listener positioned in each room?  Obviously in a 12 ft x 11 ft room you don't have many options, but see if using an angled, non-symetrical setup helps.  You probably need room treatments, but of course that would make the small room even smaller.

Some of the improvements you're hearing is probably due to the extra heft provided by going mono.

Don't know why, but most pieces improve after a "re-break-in" period.

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Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #5 on: 27 Jun 2007, 11:53 am »
I'd guess the room.  The room always makes the most difference in sound. 

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Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #6 on: 27 Jun 2007, 12:39 pm »
From the Sound Stage review it seems that the best way to go mono is to use the balanced input.  Are you doing that?  If you are bridging with single end input my guess is that your added power is actually loading the room fully for the first time with the 89 dB speakers and you are hearing room modes in the bass region.  You also have different source.  Did you check both ways with the same CDP?

Early B.

Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #7 on: 27 Jun 2007, 01:52 pm »
The room, definitely.

mcullinan

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« Reply #8 on: 27 Jun 2007, 01:55 pm »
Maybe start with the original system if you still have the components, and see if the sound is similar to the old sound. Then piece in each new component and see what changes. Also, and Im not sure but since you are in a smaller room, though your speakers are not floor standers, maybe you are getting a lot of bass reflection and it sounds loose?
Mike

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Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #9 on: 27 Jun 2007, 02:55 pm »
As long as we're all guessing...my votes on the room, too.

The 'clue' is probably the bass response of those little 706's.  It's strong in the smaller room and less pronounced in the bigger room. They're probably ported, so they're likely never gonna' be truly 'tight'.  Your need acoustic suspension, maybe transmission line and possibly a lot more current, wattage and driver control to get chest-thumping tight in either room. 

Tho, bass will be more comfortably sized with the 706's in the smaller (old) room  :)

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Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #10 on: 28 Jun 2007, 02:42 am »
The bass tightness isnt my most pressing issue. My lackluster soundstage and imaging bothers me more. You guys are right it probably is the room because the single amp wasnt that much better. The old open ended room sounded so much better.

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Re: Different but not necessarily better? Monoblocks vs Stereo.
« Reply #11 on: 28 Jun 2007, 05:24 am »
the room...now it's time to start looking at The Acoustics Circle for tips on polishing up the room acoustics to make it even better.  :thumb: