[NagysAudio]

Hi again, all military or aerospace solder has lead in it. Lead free solder is junk (at the moment anyways), it cannot stand to harsh environment and the connection will fail in time. Just search the web for military specd solder. You'll find many suppliers, however getting them to sell you any is another story.

[Nick B]

I'd be interested in a tour soon. Just bought some new cables and would be interesting to hear the differences (if any) with your product
Nick.

[guest1632]

Hi again, all military or aerospace solder has lead in it. Lead free solder is junk (at the moment anyways), it cannot stand to harsh environment and the connection will fail in time. Just search the web for military specd solder. You'll find many suppliers, however getting them to sell you any is another story.

Hi, Well then the military had better invent something new, because the whole manufacturing world is fast going away from lead bigtime. What are the "harsh" conditions? I have a friend in the audio industry, well known. He has recently gone to the lead free solder. He recently make up a pair of Interconnects for himself. He told me there was a glare using the old Lead solder. With the new stuff, it is gone. I recently purchased a Soldering station from a company here in AZ. On the soldering side, they do have some Lead-free solder manufactured to milspec.

Ray

[guest1632]

I'd be interested in a tour soon. Just bought some new cables and would be interesting to hear the differences (if any) with your product
Nick.

Hi Nick,

What cables did you buy? I too am n the search for cables.

Ray

[Nick B]

Hi Nick,

What cables did you buy? I too am n the search for cables.

Ray
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Hi Ray
I bought a pair of Grover's at AN. The group buy expires tonight. 30% discount was very nice.
Nick

[guest1632]

Hi Nick,

What cables did you buy? I too am n the search for cables.

Ray

Hi Nick,

Wow! Yeah, this would be a good comparison. So I understand, Grover's cables aren't conventional. Enough said, don't wish to do any hijacking of this thread. The best to you.

Ray

Hi Ray
I bought a pair of Grover's at AN. The group buy expires tonight. 30% discount was very nice.
Nick
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[NagysAudio]

Yes, they do have some lead free mil spec solder available. Military/Defense/Aerospace industries are beginning to transition very slowly, but it's proving to be very difficult. In real harsh environments, Sea/Cold/Weather etc. lead free is total garbage. But even under normal conditions, the connection deteriorates and fails much quicker. This is mostly due to tin imperfections in the joint which grow with time. There's no good solution yet, but that's not to say that there won't be soon.

Regarding the glare. Lead will not give you a glaring sound. Glare can be due to poor soldering skills (like cold solder joint where you have impedance problems), or just plain low quality solder. For electronics, good solder should melt at not too high of a temperature and flow beautifully. When set, it should have a shinny joint. Soldering paste should ALWAYS be applied to the metal surfaces. Rosin core solder is not a substitute for this.

[guest1632]

Yes, they do have some lead free mil spec solder available. Military/Defense/Aerospace industries are beginning to transition very slowly, but it's proving to be very difficult. In real harsh environments, Sea/Cold/Weather etc. lead free is total garbage. But even under normal conditions, the connection deteriorates and fails much quicker. This is mostly due to tin imperfections in the joint which grow with time. There's no good solution yet, but that's not to say that there won't be soon.

Regarding the glare. Lead will not give you a glaring sound. Glare can be due to poor soldering skills (like cold solder joint where you have impedance problems), or just plain low quality solder. For electronics, good solder should melt at not too high of a temperature and flow beautifully. When set, it should have a shinny joint. Soldering paste should ALWAYS be applied to the metal surfaces. Rosin core solder is not a substitute for this.

Interesting. So what happens, does it go to a cold solder joint?

Ray

[NagysAudio]

The joint will fail electrically, short circuit, etc