sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter

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mcbry

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sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter
« on: 1 Jun 2007, 08:52 am »
Hi all

I'm new to the forum and relatively new to hifi.  Sry if this is the wrong place for this post.

I'm curious as to whether there is any benefit to using the sb3 rather than connecting directly from your computer.  If the wifi isn't a necessity (because I'm putting a silent computer next to my sound system), and I'm going to run it through a dac anyway, is there any other advantage that the sb brings? 

I'm a bit confused about this.  Logically, it seems like ANY digital source (given the same quality digital recording, I'm not comparing 128 mp3 to a lossless format) used as transport through the same DAC should produce the same result. 

I imagine there might be some differences depending on the format of the connector (optical vs. phono and usb vs. usb 2.0 vs firewire). 

Thanks

« Last Edit: 1 Jun 2007, 11:50 pm by mcbry »

mcbry

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Re: sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter
« Reply #1 on: 14 Jun 2007, 11:46 pm »
don't everybody speak at once.

Was it a stupid question?   Is my writing unintelligible?  Do I smell bad? 


Rashiki

Re: sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter
« Reply #2 on: 15 Jun 2007, 12:07 am »
It's not a stupid question. I'm not sure why you haven't had any responses.

One of the major differences between digital sources is jitter, and the SB3 has been measured to be a very low jitter device. If you do a search on USB here on the circle or on the web, you'll find that quite a few people think that USB is not optimal for digital audio transmission, while others think it's great. I'm sure that some USB or firewire solutions will be better than others.

I really like the SlimServer interface and I have four SqueezeBoxes for various rooms in my house running off the same server, so in my case it's a much better option than using a PC with a USB or firewire output.

 -Rob

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Re: sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter
« Reply #3 on: 15 Jun 2007, 01:25 am »
I find the SB3 interface and remote is great, as you don't need a monitor and some other remote-control solution when using an SB3. Also, interfacing the SB3 to the computer with network cable, isolates your SB3 and dac from your computer power supply (since network interfaces incorporate pulse-transformers). Using optical between your computer and dac would also accomplish this, as would any coax dac or interface that includes pulse-transformers at the coax input (which is not always done). As I understand it, you can only pass up to 48kHz from the SB3 though (?)




mcbry

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Re: sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter
« Reply #4 on: 16 Jun 2007, 12:18 am »
thanks Rashiki and NB. 

Rashiki... jitter... I thought that only affected CDPlayers and was due to the spin of the cd reader.  I had assumed that jitter would be eliminated in any digital memory storage, like a harddrive.  Is that a misunderstaning on my part?  (edit: nevermind.  I did read up on jitter.  Big misconception on my part.  Thanks!)

NB... You said it's important to separate the dac from the computer's powersupply with a digital cable be it optical or coax.  That's interesting.  I've seen alot of rather expensive solutions that connected a DAC right through the USB (a version of the benchmark dac1 for example) these must incorporate the pulse transformers you mention. 

I'm doing this from scratch, and it will be a slow process.  At the moment I only have a CDP, pre- and amp, and speakers.  And a laptop.  The next step will be a NAS or external HD and some means of communicating from computer to the stereo.  I was considering the Behringer u-control uca 202 which is a smal usb device with a small dac (48 khz 16bit) and an optical out as a cheap middle step before I moved on to purchase a DAC separate.  On the other hand, the SB3 isn't too expensive for me and may be the more flexible route because it does let me use the wifi, which I do use for my computers, as an intermediate step.

Just trying to chart the best upgrade path that will leave me with the highest quality final options.  In the end, the sb's powersupply might be a limitation?  I've read in a number of places the the sb in the final analysis is not a hifi solution, perhaps because of the 48 khz limit you mentioned. I've seen some well reviewed mods, the most significant changes were the addition of much bigger powersupplies.  These were getting good reviews. 

Thanks again!
« Last Edit: 16 Jun 2007, 12:33 am by mcbry »

Rashiki

Re: sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter
« Reply #5 on: 16 Jun 2007, 12:31 am »
Just trying to chart the best upgrade path that will leave me with the highest quality final options.  In the end, the sb's powersupply might be a limitation?

To me, the analog output sounded good even with the stock power supply, but I'm very happy with it when driving a modestly priced DAC. Check out the review of the SB3 in Stereophile -- it includes measurements of both the analog and digital outputs.
http://stereophile.com/digitalprocessors/906slim/

Quote from the article: "While the Slim Devices Squeezebox with stock power supply (footnote 1) offers generally good performance from its analog outputs, it was the sound it produced driving a high-end DAC from its digital output that persuaded me to purchase the review sample."

 -Rob

mcbry

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Re: sb3 vs ubs or firewire - digital converter
« Reply #6 on: 16 Jun 2007, 12:35 am »
that sounds convincing.  I think I'll just have to go ahead and put in my order.

Cheers!