The website has to be updated...

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The website has to be updated...
« on: 16 May 2007, 12:22 am »
I recomend Odyssey products day in and day out.

I get the same response. "I don't see XXXX" - my response? "Oh, its not on the site, you have to call!"

And they normally will say, well I don't want to call - I want to research it first before I get talked into something.

So please... update the site with the current product lines... would be much appreciated it.

TomS

Re: The website has to be updated...
« Reply #1 on: 16 May 2007, 12:37 am »
I get the same response. "I don't see XXXX" - my response? "Oh, its not on the site, you have to call!"

And they normally will say, well I don't want to call - I want to research it first before I get talked into something.

Ah, but that's the whole point.  Klaus is a clever marketer and consummate sales guy.  Researching often just means tire kicking.  Having the customer on the phone at least gets you to first base to sell something or better yet triggers an impulse buy.

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« Reply #2 on: 16 May 2007, 12:42 am »
The website will eventually be completed.  For the time being, have all these people look at the International links on Klaus's website for Great Britain or Singapore or Mexico, plenty of information.  Or, just have them read the many reviews on the net. :)

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« Reply #3 on: 16 May 2007, 01:11 am »
Yup,  I agree.  For a couple of years already.
My main problem is that I am doing:

calls.
errands
metal brushing
books
emails
production on amps and speakers and cables

and... I'm a single dad of a 13 year old son,  one dog,  and a house.

Aaaaaaargh.  24 hours is just not enough here.

I am also very stubborn.  I admit this freely.  I have a hard time giving anything out of my control.  It is not that I don't trust anybody else.  I just want to have everything done right,  and in my way.  Yes,  I am a perfectionist,  and unfortunately I am wearing too many hats.  Very aware of that.  Well,  Irina will hopefully be here with me in August,  and then my life will be also easier. (and sweeter,  not living alone anymore)

As for the web site itself,  I am now actively working on it,  as a matter of fact.  In Russia I had some time,  and organized the new topics,  and started typing.  And typing.  The new site will be quite revolutionary,  that I will promise you.  Not in the sense of having neater interactive features.  Who cares ???  More to the sense that it will be the most massively informative site you will have ever seen.  8 years ago we were a pioneer in the direct sales structure and site,  and it's time to regain that title.
BUT,  I need more time with this huge undertaking.  An hour or two a day now will get me there step by step,  and you guys will go bananas once it is up,  I promise.

Klaus

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« Reply #4 on: 16 May 2007, 01:25 am »
  Well,  Irina will hopefully be here with me in August,  and then my life will be also easier. (and sweeter,  not living alone anymore)

Irina? Who is Irina? Please, do tell!

Bigfish

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« Reply #5 on: 16 May 2007, 01:39 am »
Klaus:

With the new addition coming into your life this might mean you won't be up working and taking calls at midnight from people like me!

I hope congratulations are in order!

Ken

Vr3

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« Reply #6 on: 16 May 2007, 01:46 am »
Awesome

Good to hear, hate to pester on the matter. I just like to recomending the products and its hard to press forward when no information is truly present.

I am looking forward to the new site.
:)

Congrats!

Eduardo AAVM

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« Reply #7 on: 16 May 2007, 08:11 am »
Great Klaus good news as always you can count on my for logos over different backgrounds, isolated pictures of Odyssey gear, Groneberg and Audio Selection, whatever is in my reach no doubt to ask for it.

Also I am considering redisigning my web site but I have been waiting for your new one so I can mimic yours, anyway if nothing comes to say in a couple of months I will be glad to design a provitional ENGLISH area in my spanish languaje web site, and thinking also from the begining how to create modules that could be easly translated or adequated for our international friends like Brian, A. Martin, Moises, etc.

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« Reply #8 on: 16 May 2007, 10:12 am »
IMO Odyssey/Klaus lose credibility with the current website.  This is the store front for Odyssey and the face of Klaus.


What is a new comer to think?:

- This is a dud company/products. 

- The products apparently haven't been updated for years. 

- Is this a one man shop? 

- Customer service has got to be terrible. 

- All I've found out is from a small group of customers and some old reviews. 

- Based on everything above the claims seem too good to be true.

- Even if this guy and his stuff is for real, I don't want to waste his time or embrass myself asking uninformed/stupid questions. 


Audio customers are notorious for window shopping (nowadays web browsing), but forcing potential customers on a pilgrimage through the internet is absurd.  What they find may not be all good.


Better to have a very plain/simple site that is routinely updated with the facts, a few images, and links than to wait years for something spectacular (that will probably end up being slow to load and may not be compatable with Vista/Mac/whatever into the future anyway).  Save the fluff for when you have time to do it.  (Not sure if a wowsy site is the message you want to send anyway, especially after developing a loyal following that know Odyssey from its current site). 


As it stands Klaus is letting everyone else speak for him, so he has no control of what is said or how it's said.  He's left if up to others to rumor, gossip, and comment about him and his stuff.  Approving someone else's update of the site would save him time and give back some of the control he wants.

bunky

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« Reply #9 on: 16 May 2007, 09:40 pm »
IMO Odyssey/Klaus lose credibility with the current website.  This is the store front for Odyssey and the face of Klaus.


What is a new comer to think?:

- This is a dud company/products. 

- The products apparently haven't been updated for years. 

- Is this a one man shop? 

- Customer service has got to be terrible. 

- All I've found out is from a small group of customers and some old reviews. 

- Based on everything above the claims seem too good to be true.

- Even if this guy and his stuff is for real, I don't want to waste his time or embrass myself asking uninformed/stupid questions. 


Audio customers are notorious for window shopping (nowadays web browsing), but forcing potential customers on a pilgrimage through the internet is absurd.  What they find may not be all good.


Better to have a very plain/simple site that is routinely updated with the facts, a few images, and links than to wait years for something spectacular (that will probably end up being slow to load and may not be compatable with Vista/Mac/whatever into the future anyway).  Save the fluff for when you have time to do it.  (Not sure if a wowsy site is the message you want to send anyway, especially after developing a loyal following that know Odyssey from its current site). 


As it stands Klaus is letting everyone else speak for him, so he has no control of what is said or how it's said.  He's left if up to others to rumor, gossip, and comment about him and his stuff.  Approving someone else's update of the site would save him time and give back some of the control he wants.
I myself could care less if the website is updated or not. i get my information here or directly from Odyssey Audio. Klaus has a Stellar reputation,sells gear with one of the best cost vs performance ratios in the business and is very well thought of in the Audio Community in general. this website is here so that Odyssey customers can interact with each other.i am happy to help people on this website, newer people on this website pm me on a regular basis asking for help ,advice and opinions on Audio related matters.people were glad to help me when i first came here so i have no problem with returning the favor.

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« Reply #10 on: 16 May 2007, 10:40 pm »
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I myself could care less if the website is updated or not. i get my information here or directly from Odyssey Audio.

That may be the case with you and some others, but many are not so hard core. They don't want to spend hours sifting through forums or finding online reviews. One stop where they can see and read about the products and get prices would probably do wonders for Klaus. If links were then provided to reviews, the potential customer can then easily get more information if they want. 

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« Reply #11 on: 16 May 2007, 11:29 pm »
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I myself could care less if the website is updated or not. i get my information here or directly from Odyssey Audio.

That may be the case with you and some others, but many are not so hard core. They don't want to spend hours sifting through forums or finding online reviews. One stop where they can see and read about the products and get prices would probably do wonders for Klaus. If links were then provided to reviews, the potential customer can then easily get more information if they want. 
Hey MCA, it is Obvious that a new and improved website is a worthwhile venture, i was just ranting that it does not matter to me personally. thanks....WCW III

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« Reply #12 on: 17 May 2007, 01:39 am »
I began my search to move from a pure HT to a combination HT/2 channel system back in March.  Prior to beginning my search, in March, I had never heard of Odyssey.  I learned of Odyssey by somehow landing in AudioCircle.  After reading all the favorable comments on this board about the performance of Odyssey Equipment and about Klaus convinced me to send Odyssey an e-mail.  I imediately received a reply from Klaus at 10:00PM asking me if I was available to talk?  Two hours later during the phone conversation I was convinced he was a man I wanted to do business with and placed the order.  The web site had absoutely no impact on my decision.

You have to realize Klaus is building great performance/value products and he is quite busy.  Possibly his current business status is as large as he can handle without adding additional people and/or other resources.  Expansion of a business like Odyssey may in the end ultimately not be in the best interest of we the consumers.  Klaus's personal attention to the customer, individual product tailoring flexibility and quality control could be effected.  I am very happy with Odyssey as it is now and I could care less if Klaus updates the web site.

Ken

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« Reply #13 on: 17 May 2007, 04:04 am »
well, not only new to the web but also Odyssey ,in my opinion from Ontario,i think Klaus is doing a hell of a job!!!yes,yes we do have BRY...... and PARADI..,AND A few others up here;  BUT I am here for 2 reasons,SOUND & SERVICE, Klaus provides both(for 20yrs, not bad)....it wasn't the web,it was WORD!!!!! when i first started to DJ,it wasn't advertisement that got me work,it was WORD of mouth.;! that is how i got here and Klaus is why i am staying here. i started with a HT-3,now i have MONO XTREME S.E.'s and next will be just MONO X'''s(maybe SE's   will see,)for a 7.1 HT system,all ODYSSEY amps(i told u Klaus...dedicated).   the web is nice,i will say,so if u want Klaus to get so busy that we loose that special service with a German accent,then go web crazy,but thats not why i'm here...................but thats another story on the riverbank.

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« Reply #14 on: 17 May 2007, 09:09 am »
I'm not slamming Klaus or his stuff.  I have no axe to grind, other than a bit of fustration over his website, which JMO is appears to be the biggest chink in his armor.  Beyond the website he seems genuine, likeable, helpful, competent, hardworking, etc.  Someone I'd like to do business with, but I'm too old to work this hard for information.  But its his company to run the way he'd like.

Yes, maybe Klaus is at an optimum size and dollar amount of business.  It sure hasn't been the 5 year old website that has kept him in business.  And I'd question if it's more efficient to answer individual e-mails and calls versus just having a decent and up-to-date site.  The personal touch is very greatly appreciated, but getting past the web version of the white van is daunting.  Don't know about others, but dropping a $1000 on a hobby is not trival for me.

While respecting their time, I love being able to chat with the heads of these small AC companies.  But frankly this lack of a more current and professional looking front end has probably been the number 1 factor keeping me from taking a plunge into Odyssey waters.

djbnh

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« Reply #15 on: 17 May 2007, 10:11 am »
I think there's some interesting points of view re: website, Klaus' busy schedule, etc. I frankly admire the consistently high level of personal attention Klaus seems to give each of his customers, his willingness to make things right when something needs attention, and the value and performance Odyssey products provide to me the listener. I don't know if it's possible to overstate how important it is, at least to me and apparently to numerous others, to be treated well by Klaus, to have access to his wide knowledge base of things audio, and to happily listen to music that has Odyssey gear in the musical reproduction system. I will in no way undervalue the importance of word-of-mouth testimonials and their positive effect on potential buyers - simply consider a myriad of purchasing decisions in which the comments of others you know (or have come to know even better) have tipped you towards making a decision to buy a product.

I think the state of the website has been ongoing and it's unknown to me how many customers or potential customers it's affected. Furthermore, companies with great websites don't mean they're great companies. For example, I point to the D@ll computer website slickness and the total lack of customer service I've had in the past from that company. If I had to choose great website content over stellar customer service/ product value +performance/ personally accessible owner, I'd gladly take the latter.

So for me, I'll happily listen to my gear, be content to know that Klaus is there should I ever need him including his knowledge base, and look to this forum for the time when Klaus chooses to announce changes to the website. YMMV, and that's ok with me.

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« Reply #16 on: 17 May 2007, 11:16 am »
I think Ken is right on the money. Sounds to me like Klaus already has all the business he can EFFECTIVELY handle.  More business at the expense of customer service and quality is not necessarily a good thing in the long run.  More than one company has gone under or lost its rep from growing too fast. 

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« Reply #17 on: 17 May 2007, 11:55 am »
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I think the state of the website has been ongoing and it's unknown to me how many customers or potential customers it's affected.

I looked at Odyssey amps and a preamp a couple of years ago. They were at the very top of my list and I was heavily influenced by what I read on this forum. I talked with Klaus one evening and all the good things people have said about him above are accurate. But I got confused by the different options and the prices. I did not know what I was buying.

I went to his website trying to sort out my confusion and pin down exactly what I wanted and how much it was going to cost. I looked at the other Odyssey sites and found different information. I just could not resolve my confusion over the different options not listed on Klaus's site and the pricing. I could have called him again and talked some more but I wanted to see something in writing that I could print and think about before spending that much money. I gave up and bought something else for about the same price. I have no idea how what I bought compares to the Odyssey equipment, it probably is not as good, but without accurate and up to date information on the website I was not going to move forward and buy an Odyssey preamp and a couple of amps as I had planned.

Martin

I am still interested and follow the Odyssey line and read the forum. Maybe an upgrade will occur in the future if the information I need to make that decision is easily avialable.

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« Reply #18 on: 17 May 2007, 11:35 pm »
I began my search to move from a pure HT to a combination HT/2 channel system back in March.  Prior to beginning my search, in March, I had never heard of Odyssey.  I learned of Odyssey by somehow landing in AudioCircle.  After reading all the favorable comments on this board about the performance of Odyssey Equipment and about Klaus convinced me to send Odyssey an e-mail.  I imediately received a reply from Klaus at 10:00PM asking me if I was available to talk?  Two hours later during the phone conversation I was convinced he was a man I wanted to do business with and placed the order.  The web site had absoutely no impact on my decision.

You have to realize Klaus is building great performance/value products and he is quite busy.  Possibly his current business status is as large as he can handle without adding additional people and/or other resources.  Expansion of a business like Odyssey may in the end ultimately not be in the best interest of we the consumers.  Klaus's personal attention to the customer, individual product tailoring flexibility and quality control could be effected.  I am very happy with Odyssey as it is now and I could care less if Klaus updates the web site.

Ken

you know I gotta dissagree with you ever so slightly. I too was in the hunt for a pair of amps to drive an ill fated project centered around "Maggies." I knew I wasn't in love with some of the other solid state amps I'd heard or owned in the past, and actually only liked the Accuphase sound. After reading comments from three or four guys on the Audio Asylum I thought this maybe what I need. The rest is history. Yet prior to this I'd never heard of Odyssey or even their website. After owning the mono SE's the subject of a new tube preamp came up (I already owned three at the time), and I simply told Klaus to build me one. Having no real idea what it would sound like, let alone the design. But deep down inside I knew it would be built like a tank. (you know it as soon as you pick it up). I can only say that I wish everything else in my three systems would have gone this smoothly.
gary

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« Reply #19 on: 18 May 2007, 01:10 am »
Yes,  these points are all valid.  For me,  it's always a little problem from any side you can think of.  Kind of a catch 66.

First and foremost,  I am NOT  willing to compromise my approach to customer service one iota.  Year after year I worked my ass off to be available to everybody nearly 24/7.  There are good companies out there,  but I don't know of anybody who is going to the same length to be accessible and to make people happy.  Yes,  of course this also serves a self-interest since the word of mouth to me is it.  The overriding factor,  since I really don't want to be too high on marketing.  More to the substance oriented.  Really simple,  I stepped back from all the bull,  and problems,  etc.,  and wondered how I,  Klaus,  as a customer,  would be happiest and the most impressed.  Obviously,  products first,  but then right after that it is me,  and I have not changed in years.  People always ask me why I don't have more advertising,  or more reviews coming out.  You have to understand that we are a true small family business,  doing everything in the shop by hand. Margins suck, hours are long,  and I love every moment of it.  We can do a max of about 50 pieces a month,  and from the 2nd month of production,  we have been in a back order position.  As a matter of fact,  since 2001 we have not dipped below 3-4 weeks of back orders.  That is only due to the performance of the Symphonic Line designs,  and our word of mouth strength,  and customer happiness.  You can look at numbers any way you want,  but to me,  there is one big one:
About 6-10 % of our products have been sold by the first owners,  and yet,  over 20 % of you guys are repeat customers in one way or the other.  Over 20 %  !!!!!!

As for marketing,  look at the reviews.  We have an average of 1 review per year +-.  I said no to reviewers so many times,  including big rigs like Stereophile,  it's not even funny anymore.  Truth is,  we can't handle double the business,  and I am not willing to change and grow the company.  Overhead,  control ,  service,  but especially because I am very happy with my life.  I love what I am doing,  or otherwise I would be back in academics.   There are companies,  even in this forum,  who get close to 1 review a month,  and they have their gear made cheaply in China.  If they can profit from all of this,   good for them.  I am not interested in such models,  too much pride.

Just look at Audiocircle.  I have been one of the first 20 guys,  here from day one,  and am barely over 400 posts.  I don't like to interfere in peoples opinions.  I like to have an open,  honest,  and liberal exchange before any and all pushes,  hypes,  or sales pitches.  Same thing with the phone.  Yes,  of course I am enthusiastic,.  but essentially,  I am only giving facts and the ridiculously long heritage of our components.  I like to be thorough in these phone calls,  and yes,  I am always willing to share my experiences and expertises, no matter what.  This is a hobby of love for most of us,  dammit.

With the web site,  I am torn into different directions.  The reason why I so sparingly updates the site is because I simply always had so much business and so little time.  However,  now,  especially with the Candela and the new speakers and future projects it's time to change.  The site will not be hyping,  but more to the point will be extremely,  absurdly informative.  Old fashioned even,  but it will have a lot of stingers as well.  In 20 years in this business I have seen a lot of shit,  and it's time that somebody tells it as it is,  even though there has to be some "political correctness".  It's not that easy to put the new site on paper,  that I can tell you.   BUT,  like I said,  the site will be different.  And yes,  I agree with the fact that the web site is ultimately our business card,  and it is time to do something for many reasons.

As for hype,  if I feel that there is something that is very special,  ///see the other post re. the wood///  I will open my mouth,  and use a forum like this.  However,  then it is also time to walk the walk as well. 

Yes guys,  I'm working on it,  and there is also another issue,  that of people getting jaded.  If somebody hears over and over again as to how good the Stratos' are (for example),  then after a while they might not even pay attention anymore,  and are missing out on something that might indeed be awesome in their system.  That's the nature of this freakingly insecure, obscure, and irrational hobby that we all love so much.  In this case,  it would be better to have all the information as well as possible in the open, be more business oriented, and  to make and sell them 24/7,  but that is not me.   At least not yet,  and hopefully,  never.


Late,

Klaus