decline in CD sales

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zachslc

decline in CD sales
« on: 4 Aug 2003, 08:52 pm »
Do you think part of the drop could be because in the 80s and early 90s people were replacing their collections of other formats with CDs of the same titles...and now that replacement cycle is over?  Is there any way to account for what percentage of CD sales historically ahve been new releases and what percent have been re-releases of material previously on other formats?

Just a thought.

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« Reply #1 on: 4 Aug 2003, 09:44 pm »
I think that so much is marketed to young audiences, that the older (above 25) age groups don't buy as much since they never see anything interesting.  They still are out there, and will buy (witness norah jones' success), but as a group I'd bet good money that their declining purchases mirrors the declining overall music sales very well.

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« Reply #2 on: 4 Aug 2003, 10:16 pm »
I firmly believe that a combination of higher CD prices for a poorer product (subpar music and an increase in unrippable discs) and the explosion in other forms of electronic entertainment is at the root of the problem of CD sales, along with the big labels antiquated notions of distribution and the ownership of intellectual property.

First off, when I was a kid, we had 2-3 channels, off the air.  Very little to watch and almost everyone saw all the same stuff.  Now most people have access to 50 to 250 channels, along with pay per view movies and sporting events.

Next just look at videogames.  A couple of years back, the gaming industry actually raked in more money than the movie industry! :o   Videogames meant "Pong" when I was very young, and I guess I was in the first generation that grew up in video arcades.  Nowadays, I know quite a few people who have more games than CDs.

Computers is another area that can rapidly expand to fill any time you have available; just look at this forum! :lol:   I will have to sheepishly admit that there are days where I spend more time here talking about gear and music than I do actually listening to it! :oops:   And I suspect I'm not unique in this regard.

Lastly, just look at the explosion of HT in recent years.  DVD has been the most successful electronics product in history, and HT is a huge business.  In my own case, I'd really gotten stuck in a rut, audiowise, before the DVD came along.  It seemed like technologically nothing had changed much since the CD debutted, and once my beloved 80's metal bands fell off the map and the grunge movement fizzled, I fell into sort of a stupor where nothing out there musically interested me anymore (save classical).  I hadn't changed a single component in my audio system for about five years at that point.  But DVD changed all that, and lit a fire to upgrade my gear that spilled over into audio, really getting me excited about gear again.

Nowadays I have about 350 DVDs, and while I'm more on a music kick the last couple months (due mostly to DVD-A & SACD, along with purchasing Nero & Music Match Jukebox), there are times when I spend more time watching DVDs than I do listening to music.

Lastly, I think the Big Five are shooting themselves in the foot.  If I have a choice between spending $14 on a big blockbuster movie that I know cost $125 million dollars to produce, how can $16 be justifiable for a CD that cost at most $300,000 to produce?  Sure, there's publicity, etc, but so is there for advertising a big movie.  And on top of that, the studios seem to be laying awake nights wringing there hands in fear that I just might make a copy of a disc for the car instead of buying 2 copies!  Huh? :scratch:  Earth to record execs:  get a clue.

And just why can't those guys figure out the internet could actually help them sell music?  I buy virtually all my gear and maybe 50% of my music online, but I can find almost no downloadable full res content to buy.

Anyway, I know this is becoming a rant, but I do think a lot of factors are at work in the decline of CD sales.  And tho they can file lawsuits till the proverbial cows come home, I think the Big Five best pull their heads out their asses or get used to their new place in the world.

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« Reply #3 on: 4 Aug 2003, 10:51 pm »
I agree with everything Rob said and would add this.  Music today is produced to be played loud on at best, mid-fi systems.  That means the producer is compressing the life out of most popular recordings, so that they don't blow the 3" paper cones out of someones' Lifestyle system at half volume. If the music industry is looking for new markets, how about making un-compressed, or minimally compressed CD's and give them a special name.  Probably with the word "extreme" in it somewhere. Now that would sell.

You'd make owning and being able to play the "extreme" CD on your system without a meltdown sort of a status symbol.  You could have "CD extreme" certification for equipment, just like THX.  Man, Get me a patent application! :lol:

Seriously though, 80 times out of 100 I am disappointed in the sound of a new recording of alternative or popular music.  

My 2 cents

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« Reply #4 on: 5 Aug 2003, 02:45 pm »
I strongly agree on the concept of DVDs and video games sucking up the money that used to go for CDs.  On Sunday I was in Best Buy getting my weekly fix of Fuji CDR blanks and I noticed the two young couples in line ahead of me were buying 3-4 DVDs each (and nothing else).  These people were the target demographic audience for music CDs.

I don't agree that the music today is any worse.  This morning's paper has a chart comparing the top five CD sales now (15 million) versus three years ago (21 million).  Frankly, with the exception of the Norah Jones album now, they were all an embarassment.

I think mass music has always been produced aimed at the mid-fi market.  I have seen many articles from producers from the 60s and 70s who would do their final listen over a car AM radio.

Personally I keep chugging along regularly buying CDs and downloading concerts.  Video doesn't interest me at all-I own a total of less than ten movies, and have only bought three of those, the rest being gifts (the DVD is the modern equivalent of the necktie).

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« Reply #5 on: 5 Aug 2003, 07:06 pm »
"...(the DVD is the modern equivalent of the necktie)."

 :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:  I love that!

Yeah, it is amazing to go to best buy and see kids in their teens standing in line with handfuls of DVDs.  When a lot of those kids do think of music, it's MP3 or a concert DVD.  Hell, I think Bubba will admit to owning music on DVD! :P

I guess I should qualify my statement on the quality of new music.  Yes, there is some very good stuff out there, maybe as much as there ever was.  But I think it's a raft floating on a sea of crap.  Sure, there was crap in the past, but it wasn't designed by committe to be garbage, and just a product.

zachslc

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« Reply #6 on: 5 Aug 2003, 08:22 pm »
I have to wonder that when directed toward the young consumer if the entertainment industry is its own demise now that we seem to ahve a generation (my generation--but even moreso that of my 13-year-old brother :stupid: ) that puts hyper-stimulating  :duel: entertainment in such high demand.  Maybe just a CD is not good enough anymore?  I mean geeze, there's nothing to do with a CD but listen.
 :drums:

But then again this is the generation driving the greatest grossing book ever (Harry Potter)...however we can't forget all the other hoopla (DVD-aha!) going along with the Potter phenomenan.

Obviously I am being mostly fecitious, but I do have a point.  I just am feelign rather inarticulate. :sleep:

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« Reply #7 on: 6 Aug 2003, 02:54 pm »
Being here on Music Row where lots of the information forms allows an interesting perspective.  Gross sales are down a small amount from the last several years, however, the amount of new album releases (projects) has declined even further.  Record companies are not taking as many chances.  The funny thing is that the gross profits per project have increased steadily through the last several years, even more so than the increase at the end of the 90s.  So the record companies are making more per album than ever, and therefore more PROFIT than ever.  Their gross revenues are down because THEY ARE RELEASING LESS MUSIC!!!  And they blame Napster and the like so they can squeeze every last dime from their minimal releases.  People aren't buying less music, they are making less music, regardless of the quality.

Interesting...

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« Reply #8 on: 6 Aug 2003, 05:57 pm »
I think the RIAA should be sent to their room with no supper so they can think long and hard about how naughty they've been.  They shan't be allowed out until they've calmed down and changed their bad attitude.  Because basically, they are acting like spoiled children.  

Do other industries act like whiny bitches when sales are down as much as the record industry or is it merely the media's slant making them look like fools?  Where else does one find a company suing people for not buying their product?  Sounds like the RIAA is under Mob rule!  Buy ten Mariah Carrey CDs or wake up next to your dog's severed head!

8thnerve

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« Reply #9 on: 7 Aug 2003, 12:46 pm »
Quote from: nathanm
I think the RIAA should be sent to their room with no supper so they can think long and hard about how naughty they've been.  They shan't be allowed out until they've calmed down and changed their bad attitude.  Because basically, they are acting like spoiled children.  

Do other industries act like whiny bitches when sales are down as much as the record industry or is it merely the media's slant making them look like fools?  Where else does one find a company suing people for not buying their product?   ...


We should send the airlines to their room as well.

8thnerve

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« Reply #10 on: 7 Aug 2003, 12:46 pm »
Quote from: nathanm
I think the RIAA should be sent to their room with no supper so they can think long and hard about how naughty they've been.  They shan't be allowed out until they've calmed down and changed their bad attitude.  Because basically, they are acting like spoiled children.  

Do other industries act like whiny bitches when sales are down as much as the record industry or is it merely the media's slant making them look like fools?  Where else does one find a company suing people for not buying their product?   ...


And the insurance companies.

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« Reply #11 on: 7 Aug 2003, 12:47 pm »
Quote from: nathanm
I think the RIAA should be sent to their room with no supper so they can think long and hard about how naughty they've been.  They shan't be allowed out until they've calmed down and changed their bad attitude.  Because basically, they are acting like spoiled children.  

Do other industries act like whiny bitches when sales are down as much as the record industry or is it merely the media's slant making them look like fools?  Where else does one find a company suing people for not buying their product?   ...


And the... hmmm, I'm noticing a trend.