New product sources (under review)

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Wayner

New product sources (under review)
« on: 28 Apr 2007, 11:50 am »
Rather then be "crabby", I've decided to share a few new audio sources to my fellow AC members.

The first one up is a new source for audio cables. The website is www.monoprice.com. I have ordered 6 pairs of RCA interconnects at a staggering price of $2.38 each.



I will be recieving them on Tuesday. Of course they will be put through the mill and I may cut one open to see how it's constructed. I will also measure the RCA connectors and compare the dimensions to spec standards. Then I will plug them in and give a listen. I will do the wall-wart test to confirm shielding quality and will report my findings later in the week.

Wayner

Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #1 on: 28 Apr 2007, 11:58 am »
The next item involves cable managment. We use this stuff at work, but unfortunately, it's company policy that we can't buy off of our inventory. So the source is McMaster-Carr. The material is PVC and is avalible in a couple of colors. I ordered gray. This is wire duct made by Iboco. It comes with a cover and the channel has mounting holes spaced about every 6 inches. It is also easy to cut to lenght. It comes in 6' lengths.



My plan is to mount 2 raceways to the wall, behind my rack with about 12" between them. One will be for 120 volt power cords, the other will be for interconnects.

I will provide pictures when this project is completed.

 :)

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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #2 on: 28 Apr 2007, 08:07 pm »
 :D  Cool.  Good ole' Duct.  Not audio grade phlake stuff.  www.mscdirect.com  or   www.grainger.com  also has good stuff   So do   www.partsexpress.com   Priced for mortals, not audio phlakes

rustneversleeps

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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #3 on: 28 Apr 2007, 09:14 pm »
We use the similiar duct for our LAN cable, AC, and etc at work. But it doesn't seem to be practical for home use, it kind of make the home too "industrial" looking, also limit the portability for different component. For now, I just let the wire and cable laying around on the floor, and try my best to separate the AC and the signal cable.........no easy way.

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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #4 on: 28 Apr 2007, 09:41 pm »
Nice... looking forward to the review. Checkout ram electronics http://www.ramelectronics.net/ and blue jean cables http://www.bluejeanscable.com/ for anyone on a budget.

Later.
Brian

Gordy

Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #5 on: 28 Apr 2007, 09:47 pm »
We use spiral wrap tubing for bundling temp. control wires at work... Mouser  works a charm, is relatively inconspicuous and allows wires to be T'd out at any point along the run(s).

weirdo

Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #6 on: 28 Apr 2007, 11:36 pm »
Rather then be "crabby", I've decided to share a few new audio sources to my fellow AC members.[/i]

Crab away!   I love overperforming cheap interconnects. Let us know how they fare. My favorite cheap interconnects are Knuconcept Crystal at a whopping 12 dollars per meter pair with good wiring, good soldering, well made metal connectors and good sound. 

Wayner

Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #7 on: 1 May 2007, 12:23 am »
The cables have arrived a day early. They look and feel fantastic. The plug body is molded around a very high quality connector with a solid feel. Nothing will come loose or frey. The cable is marked RG-59/U 75 ohm.


Measurements of the plug:

Center split pin diameter: Along split: .125", across split .125"
Center pin length: .535"

I.D. of collar: .325"
number of slots in collar: 6
Collar depth: .250"

Overall diameter of plug body: .500"
Overall cable diameter: .250"

Fit with RCA jack: Center pin has a nice feel and the jack inserts and seats very securely. This cable installs onto the plug very smoothly with ultra contact!

Best to extract with a twisting motion.

Heat-shrink tubing is used to keep dual cords from seperating. If you want to seperate them, this would be no problem.

I do not have time to audition these cables tonight. That will come tomorrow. My gut feel is that they will sound as great as they look.

W

JoshK

Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #8 on: 1 May 2007, 12:41 am »
I do not have time to audition these cables tonight. That will come tomorrow. My gut feel is that they will sound as great as they look.

Uh oh...placebo affect built up.   :nono: :lol:

TheChairGuy

Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #9 on: 1 May 2007, 12:43 am »
My gut feel is that you will indeed like them.....because you want to like a cheap-o pair of IC's and make claims that they are as good as pricier makes. 

Which, may in fact be true, but doesn't quite make it a test.  Just in case you think I'm a cable snob - I like and use Monster Cable's $39 ones and they sound just fine  :)

I do not have time to audition these cables tonight. That will come tomorrow. My gut feel is that they will sound as great as they look.
W

Wayner

Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #10 on: 1 May 2007, 02:14 am »
I guess you don't really understand what a true audiophile is John. I don't want any evaluation to have a favored outcome. If they sound like crap, they sound like crap and I will re-install my Monster cable interlink 400's and throw these away.

If I think they sound good, then I will replace my present cables, not because I want them to sound better, but because they do.

 8)

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« Reply #11 on: 1 May 2007, 02:48 am »
I just received some cables for my DLP/HD hookup from MonoPrice. I received 2, 1-meter Monster brand ($99 retail) HDMI/HDMI cables free with my TV but I needed 1 to be HDMI/DVI so I ordered one from Monprice for like $19 with shipping. It looks and feels just like the Monster brand cable. Very nice, gold connectors and nylon braided jacket. I am very pleased. So I also ordered a 5 wire RCA component/audio and a 3 wire RCA component from MonoPriced for additional hookups. They are very nice, well made, very reasonable prices and fast shipping. I also recommend giving them a try!
I haven't used them for my audio system, no need for other cables at this time.

rustneversleeps

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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #12 on: 1 May 2007, 02:52 am »
RG59? These are comm/radar cable, they are for VHF UHF application, and not for audio application, I tried them years ago at work and they sounded terrible, sounded very thin, no low end. Are you sure it's not something somebody rig up in their basement?

TheChairGuy

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« Reply #13 on: 1 May 2007, 03:45 am »
Yup, it's the 400 model I have, too, they sound really quite good to me.  I think they were $39.99 at Best Buy (sorry Frank, that's probably a cursive word around your abode)  :wink:

I guess you don't really understand what a true audiophile is John. I don't want any evaluation to have a favored outcome. If they sound like crap, they sound like crap and I will re-install my Monster cable interlink 400's and throw these away.

If I think they sound good, then I will replace my present cables, not because I want them to sound better, but because they do.

 8)
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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #14 on: 1 May 2007, 04:23 am »
My gut feel is that you will indeed like them.....because you want to like a cheap-o pair of IC's and make claims that they are as good as pricier makes. 

   Frank's head just exploded.
 
    Alternately, since there is no consequential engineering difference between these, the Monsters, or the $1.79 RCA set you get at Fry's, you are ALL hearing what you want to hear. Just a theory, of course.

     Brett

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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #15 on: 1 May 2007, 10:14 am »
Wayner, you're a brave man to take on one of those guiding principles of audio (if its new and cost more, it must be better).

Money burning holes in their pockets is the only reason I can come up with for spending thousands on cabling.  Yes, I've heard the difference between two $1000 "well respected" speaker cables (one looked like a garden hose, the other was a very thin wire inside a thin sheet of clear plastic). Both pointed out weaknesses of the other.  So what's the point?  I have limited funds to spend on audio (some apparently don't), so it goes mostly into components (speakers, amplification, and source).

For a couple of years I used cryo'd single strand plenum rated CAT5, but my Jon Risch inspired cables are obviously superior.  But they cost $140/pair versus $20 from a group buy.  By audiophile standards they are reasonably priced and use a well known common sense design.  I have no interest in replacing them. 

I'm an old school audio guy, and won't spend serious money on tweaks.  IMO much of the tweaky stuff amounts to bandaids, seasoning with colorations, improving products that never got sufficient R&D, or just messing with heads.  Some seem to base most of their system performance on tube rolling, power supplies, vibration control, room treatments, and of course cabling options.  I prefer a little more science behind any design, but do recognize that science will never have all the answers.

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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #16 on: 1 May 2007, 10:31 am »
 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Jon Risch!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P :P :P :P :P :P :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: Frozen wires, PVC sounds different than PTFE.  Wire on a carpet sounds different than ones on cable "ELEVATORS!!!! How come when they recorded the Cd or LP, the wires where all over the floor, but when you play it back the wires need to be special, lifted off the floor, and need to be frozen. High lead content Chinese wires sound different than ones that meet RoHS. 

JohnR

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« Reply #17 on: 1 May 2007, 10:43 am »
Like it or not, not everybody has the same subjective experience (or lack of) as you do.

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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #18 on: 1 May 2007, 07:41 pm »
Now JohnR, be nice.  How do you know what subjective experience Wayner does or does not have?  Certainly he has a lot more time listening to current versions of AVA electronics than you have, that might count for something.

By the way, my criteria for cables is as follows, most important first.

1.  Be long enough to reach.  Splices are forbidden.
2.  Be flexible enough so that moving the equipment slightly will not pop the cables out of their connections. Short circuits do change the sound a lot.
3.  Be terminated in standard dimension fittings, RCA plugs that destroy jacks do change the sound.
4.  Not require pipe wrenches for tightening, as do gonzo spade lugs, which break jacks clean off, this also changes the sound.
5.  Have good shielding  (full braid coax shield preferred). Unshielded cables pick up hum and RFI, just want you want added to the music.
6.  Be low capacitance.  A big capacitive load on the output of an amp or preamp is essentially a near dead short on a portion of each duty cycle, slows down the feedback loop, and causes overshoot and ringing.  If you want ringing, listen to Tubular Bells, not to ringing violins or capacitive braided wonder wires.
7.  Be affordable.  If the cables cost more than a good amp or preamp, somebody has their head up their woofer.
8.  Be absolutely wonderful sounding.

Oh well, who cares.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine


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Re: New product sources (under review)
« Reply #19 on: 1 May 2007, 10:00 pm »
RG59 makes great IC's, rustneversleeps. (provided they're terminated correctly, etc.)

Yes, most coax is also used for video...but for audio, the 75 ohm impedence doesn't matter. In fact, if anything, RG59 used for unbalanced audio, is the 'opposite' of thin sounding. I've used Belden 1505F and Canare LV-77S which are both RG59 type cable. Sonically, I'd give the edge to the Canare...but it's a pretty small difference. The Canare replaced some pretty pricey cables in my system.

WEEZ