Something I'm REALLY interested in trying... help me out here...

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PaulFolbrecht

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This would be a compression-driver horn system using TAD drivers and Tractrix horns (the only kind of horns that don't sound like horns).

I could use some help scouting out options here.  DIY is not an option...

Other part would be active crossover.  I'm thinking two-way.  Deep extension is not needed as subs could be added.  Rolled-off highs don't bug me either as I've learned that "the 'audio band' extends to 20KHz" is pretty much arbitrary BS and there's no music past 16KHz or so...

So, also interested in brands of electronic xovers.  I mean, I know what's out there - just interested in hearing experiences - what's worked for people.

This would be an experiment - possibly not to be conducted for some time.

[The sound of the huge and incredibly expensive compression-driver horn system used in the Welborne room at RMAF, bi-amped with his amps, has captivated/haunted me since hearing it - I may want to see how close I can get to that particular sound for a fraction of the cost.]

Jon L


[The sound of the huge and incredibly expensive compression-driver horn system used in the Welborne room at RMAF, bi-amped with his amps, has captivated/haunted me since hearing it - I may want to see how close I can get to that particular sound for a fraction of the cost.]


If you're talking about RMAF 2006, Welborne was using Cogent horn speakers, which are FAR, far more than mere compression driver horns.  Their claim to fame is the use of field coil drivers!  These are being made by Cogent, but very slowly and very expensively.

I believe Dr. Bruce Edgar is planning (or already?) on a field-coil version of his Titan tractrix horn system, so that's another option.  This is not going to be cheap, either  :o 

DSK

....  Rolled-off highs don't bug me either as I've learned that "the 'audio band' extends to 20KHz" is pretty much arbitrary BS and there's no music past 16KHz or so...

Paul, no fundamental notes beyond 16khz perhaps, but harmonics certainly extend beyond this and can shape the sounds in the frequencies that we do hear.

PaulFolbrecht

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Yes, I realize the Cogents are not just any compression driver and that's why a set costs $32K!  But still they had much in common with that technology sonically.  My point is - quite possibly you can get close to that for far less money, like a lot of other areas in the hobby.

dwk

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This would be a compression-driver horn system using TAD drivers and Tractrix horns (the only kind of horns that don't sound like horns).

I could use some help scouting out options here.  DIY is not an option...
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[The sound of the huge and incredibly expensive compression-driver horn system used in the Welborne room at RMAF, bi-amped with his amps, has captivated/haunted me since hearing it - I may want to see how close I can get to that particular sound for a fraction of the cost.]


First, I'm certainly not an expert in all things horn, but I'm not aware of any other full compression driver commercial systems - drivers that will extend down into the midbass or bass are either vintage (ie effectively DIY) or custom/boutique like cogent.

Second, with any type of horn, if DIY isn't an option, then 'low cost' pretty much goes out the window. All full-range HiFi horn systems I'm aware of are at least reasonably pricey. The Edgar Titans are 1/3 the cost of the Cogents for example, but that's still 10k. The Oris Orphean semi-kits from Bert at bd-design.nl are 'reasonabe' in that context, but they're only tractrix down to ~250 and are intended to be matched to normal reflex cabs below that.  You can cut costs by looking into the pro audio world which is what I did, but you generally won't find anything but treble compression driver use - midrange and midbass/bass are cones.

Not to be entirely negative, but if you want to explore the full-range CD system, you may need to think along the lines of hooking up with someone locally that can build horns to your spec and persue a semi-DIY approach, since you are unlikely to find much off-the-shelf.  Starting with something like the Oris Orphean tops with a cone-driven bass/midbass horn down to ~70 as a baseline would be pretty manageable, and would allow you to work through some aspects while mapping out the bass CD idea. (yeah, that's a 3-way but the Orphean comes with a passive xover for the coax driver, so only a 2-way active would be needed)

PaulFolbrecht

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Thanks for the info, dwk!