As to the last 2 threads. I'll make it 3 now!
'''''''That's supposed to represent the environment that John K uses? """"""
What was implied, even though it was a setup, is that even professionals ways of measurement can be incorrect with the amount of variables that will change data. His was just a simple computer running in the background. What else could trigger poor measurements??? I think even differences in temperature, barometric pressure, humidity and the likes could trigger false representation readings. Do we know for fact John's testing was done all in the same area, same day with the same conditions being present, NO. So unless the drivers manufacturers all get together and nail down one common test procedure that all will go by, measurements can be taken with a grain, er pile of salt. If you can not believe someone might find that one test that makes whatever they believe to come true to push their point, belief or product, well I guess nothing would. Your then just picking a side that suits your beliefs and john's would be the side home DIYer's would pick. Manufacturers would always be on the bad/losing side since they are the ones whom stand to gain monetarily, will forget the stature gains others may make.
There was alot to be learned.
One metal drivers not to have that ring effect, which it was called, can not be overcome easily without proper gear to locate where it exactly is. These are not DIY drivers for the majority that dont own such equipment.
On top of that, even seasoned pro's/manufacturers dont seem to be able to do this. I tried one that was all ready tweeked by a seasoned pro and also listened to many different speakers at local high end shops. All metal driven units had some form of this audibly noticeable. Some prefer this sound, others dont. Bottom line is personal preference, do you want this noise or do you want to replicate the sound closer to the truth.
Measurements without a common test procedure can be debated to death and made into false information.
Manufacturers and so-called Godly DIYer's with a stature, do they have hidden agenda's??? I'm not saying or not saying it was involved here, but it does exist much more than one thinks. If no one can agree other than to disagree, you have a agenda being represented. The only topic I ever saw/see that gets a majority backing of the people, is Bose sucks and isnt even close to being considered good. There is no consensus on types, manufacturers and so on of the following.
Amplifiers
CD players
Crossovers
DVD Players
Receivers
Speakers/Drivers
TV's and so on, all within, being used within the Audio Circle of people. There is always a 50/50 split and you can discredit anything, thats beliefs/agenda's.
Audiophilism has at least 3 definitions.
One whom over indulges within the Audio realm beyond a normal person. Typically very quiet, if he posts its rare.
One whom is looking for stature from the name. Has high post counts and defends his agenda even though totally incorrect with vigor.
Last one, will change the spelling of a little, AudioPILE, there are much more of these than one would like to admit. But these guys are never happy, always in a upgrade mode looking for that next whatever, are never happy because they think there is something better to be found. A tweak that will do wonders so they end up amassing a PILE of used equipment.
Forums and I mean all forums are clicks. Each forum has its own agenda of something they all commonly agree upon and if you dont like one, you will find one that suits the beliefs and answers you seek.
What really purveyed itself and does daily on every topic posted.
Opinions/theories vary and just like a**holes, everyone has one.
If you look close enough between all the other garbage, there are answers and learning to be found. But if you read it verbatim and dont have the ability to read between the lines, your screwed and will just pick a side that suits you.
