mid driver up to 5000Hz?

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NurEinTier

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mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« on: 24 Feb 2007, 03:21 pm »
All those fine OB's made me hungry.
Planning an 3 way OB, early stages yet.

Decided to start with the mid driver(s) selection.
Looking for a decent mid with a range between 300hz and 5000hz, want to keep the crosover out of that range.
All suggestions are most welcome.

JANDG

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #1 on: 26 Feb 2007, 01:25 am »
Here is my 3way OB..... picture was took before I hooked up ribbons to its current XO,

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/JandG_/DSC02996.jpg[/IMG]



Christof

Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #2 on: 26 Feb 2007, 02:24 pm »
I guess that rules out any Alum or Mag drivers.  Paper?

Dougl

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #3 on: 16 Mar 2007, 12:50 am »
What effecency are you looking for?
If Mid 80's is enough, the WR125 looks like it might be a good candidate.
I have only heard it in a 7 L inclosure, but its Q is not in the way.

I chose the MP14RCY because I was willing to cross a bit lower.

YMMV.

Doug

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #4 on: 16 Mar 2007, 04:16 am »
8" eminence alpha 8A or even the Beta 8A.  won't go all the way to 5000, but pretty close and with good efficiency.  The alpha would make for and easier open baffle w/o xover, but since you were talking 300Hz up, the beta looks like a good choice.

JeffB

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #5 on: 16 Mar 2007, 11:19 pm »
I just ordered a tangband w3-871 3" full ranger.
The response looks to be +/- 3db from 150Hz to 20kHz.
http://www.tb-speaker.com/detail/1208_03/w3-871sc.htm
Only $17 each from Parts Express
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?DID=7&PartNumber=264-813

I haven't hooked it up yet, so I can't really recommend it.  But on paper it looked too interesting for me to pass up.

I am curious about the differences in the midrange between a small driver like this versus say an 8" B200.

Does anybody know if there is any reason to think that a driver dedicated to a midrange of between 300Hz and say 5000Hz would sound better than this 3" driver with a range of 150Hz to 20kHz?
I suppose if the midrange driver could go lower in frequency say 50Hz then it might make sense to use it.  But with a restriction of between 300Hz to 5000Hz, could a narrower range driver sound better in a given region than a wider range driver?

I guess efficiency could be a concern.



JoshK

Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #6 on: 16 Mar 2007, 11:31 pm »
Just the facts....don't kill the messager, but an 8" driver is going to be beaming at 5khz (due to size of wavelengths) and making crossing to a tweeter *very* difficult and unnatural sounding.  A 3-4" driver is pretty much required if beaming is to be avoided up this high.  Then the low end requirement becomes crippling at higher spls.  4" drivers don't move much air.  That said, take a look at the Three way driver study thread on HT Guide.com.  Really good research being done there on mids for similar requirements.

So far, a 4" tangband is in the running for modest budgets and the Accuton C79 & C89 are in the running for more healthy budgets.  These are 3-4" drivers.  They are probably not going to be used quite as low as you mention, at least not nominally, but they will be crossed 2nd order so a lot of info is still coming from them.

Dueland's xo requirements make for an interesting design.  If it works as is theorized it could mean the xo is truely not audible, since all off axis sound is in phase at *all* frequencies, not just on axis response.

BoomieMCT

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #7 on: 16 Mar 2007, 11:44 pm »
I'm new to speaker buildng (and OB's in particular) but I made a set of OB speakers that used Pyle Pro 6.5" PA speakers as their woofer section.  They have been working pretty well for me although the low end drops off much sooner then modeled (about 150Hz instead of 90 Hz).  They should work fine in the range you requested. 

I would post measured frequency response but I'm new here and can't seem to figure out how to post pictures. 

JANDG

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #8 on: 17 Mar 2007, 04:52 am »
The 3-way OB system posted above has no treble beam that i can hear. Vifa m26wr-09-08's & 2-300s BASH plates @ 150hz 4th. Then B200 w/ a .01uf 150Hz 1st order high pass PLLXO on the tube amp @ 150hz. then a .22mH foil coil on B200 for 4250Hz 1st order, then a single 2uf cap on G2 ribbons for 10K 1st order & no padding resistors used anywhere. I can run 1.5 watt amps & still enjoy them. You did not mention what amp or amps you are going to run with your speakers...?I would like to try a OB 3-way with a Coral 103a, the 103a has my tone...but It would have to be with one of my PP tube amps on the 103a of course,,no 1.5w amps is going to cut it with a OB 103a..as the mid.. even steeply high passed..well at least I don't think so , I haven't tried it.

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #9 on: 17 Mar 2007, 11:05 am »
Mr. Boom, good to see you here.  Welcome!  :thumb:

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Re: mid driver up to 5000Hz?
« Reply #10 on: 17 Mar 2007, 02:32 pm »
Mr. Boom, good to see you here.  Welcome!  :thumb:

Bob

Thanks Bob!  Glad to be here.