Speaker Placement & Can you place Bookshelf speakers on a Sub ?

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Antman27

Question I know I do not have  the best placement now and I was wondering IF I run 2 Subs (on on each side of the TV Stand ) Could I move the speakers off of the stand they are on now and place them on the Subs as stands or is this a BAD idea ?
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I recall some loudspeaker manufacturers who have certain models that are comprised of two sections; a two-way sattelite-like cabinet that sits on top of a woofer section via spikes (maybe Athena made such a model at one time, and I'm sure I've seen others). But I assume if they're designed that way it's okay to have the loudspeakers on top of the sub section. I don't know whether that'd be a good idea or not with your monitors and a regular subwoofer. Guess the only way to know would be to try it and see (and hear) for yourself.

Couldn't you buy two speaker stands and place them on either end of your audio cabinet? I still think that would be your best bet in terms of placement and overall sound quality, plus the tweeters would be more inline with your ears while seated in the sweet spot.

Just my two cents...

mjosef

Absolutely! Back in the 80's I had a bi amped setup, with small Wharfedale Diamonds and subs(VMPS), I used the subs as the monitor stands, worked perfectly.
Don't see any reason, besides possible non-ideal placement for the subs, why this shouldn't work in your instance.
If you do got this route, try experimenting with the sub firing to the side vs straight forward.

Fife12

The only reason I can think of why you wouldn't want to place your bookshelf speakers on top of a sub is if the sub does not integrate well in your room directly under your speakers.

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IMO, you will lose some coherence and focus in the sound of your monitors if they are placed on the subs because the vibrations from the subs will cause the monitor cabinets to vibrate as well, thereby causing the drivers to oscillate up and down and side to side with the vibrations. Speaker designers often go to great lengths to build speakers with extremely dense cabinets to minimize vibration and isolate drivers from external movement (see Magico, and Green Mountain Audio for two examples).

At the very least it'd be smart to place some vibration damping devices between the monitors and the subs...like Aurios bearings, sorbothane footers, or one of the products from Herbies. Perhaps even Aurios placed on top of sorbothane discs (hadn't thought of that 'til now...). Von Schweikert utilizes rubber footers between the upper and lower modules of their VR4 loudspeakers. I have augmented mine with some larger, thicker, and somewhat softer sorbothane discs.

It seems to me it'd be fairly easy to see the efficacy of using a damping device between the monitors and subwoofers by placing a glass of water on top of the monitors with and without the damping devices installed. Play the same track of music each time, and observe the vibration pattern that becomes apparent in the water. Theoretically, there should be less movement visible in the water when the vibration control devices are being used.

FWIW...

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As stated above several vendors sell systems to be used in just that way.  Most use an elastic to cushion vibrations between, but some physically dock them together.  Many offer designs that have a separate enclosure within the same cabinet for the bass unit.

The downside is that typically the best place for mid/treble (away from all walls) is typically not typically the best place for bass (corners).

rabpaul

Hi,

Speakers should be between 6-12ft apart for proper imaging and integration, so their current position is already not right. Adding to this you are very likely to have poor imaging with speakers sitting on top of sub-woofers because of the vibrations from the sub as already pointed out. Lets say you solve this by isolating them from each other (no guarantees that you will succeed) the speakers will still not be at the correct height. Check with the dealer who sold you the speakers on what the correct height for them should be and get proper stands. Golden Sounds have very small DH cones that will isolate your speakers from the stand.

Rgds