Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)

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Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« on: 2 Nov 2006, 01:32 pm »
As Thanksgiving is right around the corner, I'd like to take this opportunity to recommend that people considering brining their turkey.  I've brined the last 7-8 turkeys I've made, and the difference is truly shocking -- the white meat is tender and juicy. 

Here's a recipe I've tried:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_8389,00.html

Instead of a 5 gallon bucket, I've put the turkey in a garbage bag or an oven roasting bag for turkey.  I think this is better, as the bag conforms to the turkey.  I then put the bag into a cooler of ice.  When you cook the bird, I highly recommend using a thermometer that you put into the bird.  I personally like this one, which has a transmitter placed near the stove and a receiver you can keep with you (how cool is that!):

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU=12123876&RN=210

However, this is cheaper:

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU=11720307&RN=210

Both of these also can be used as a timer.  Cooking to 161 is fine, since there's no stuffing (stuffing is evil -- by the time the stuffing gets to 161, the bird is fried; oh yeah, basting is evil, too).  I usually cook to around 160 and let rest, as the bird's temperature will naturally rise another 5-10 degrees. 

The recipe's 500 degree cooking time of 1/2 hour I find will cause massive smoke.  So, I've cooked at 500 for only 15-20 minutes.  I also put the bird in the night before and let it sit overnight.  If you can, you can also brine the bird, take the bird out of the brine and let sit in the fridge overnight, as this will reduce the thickness of the skin.  Also, check that the bird you buy does not have an added solution of salt and water. 

Cook's Illustrated also recommends a certain time period of cooking with the bird upside down, and then another time period with the bird right side up.  Let me know if you want the recommended time periods.

Also, there is a slight difference in kosher salts.  One of them is slightly lower in salt content per volume.  I can get you this difference (or post it here).

Now, I use a slightly different recipe for aromatics, which then will become the gravy.  I think the gravy is outstanding with this herb recipe.  Let me know if you want a copy.  Once the bird is done, I remove the bird from the pan and let rest.  I take red wine and chicken stock, put the pan over two burners, deglaze the pan (i.e., pour the liquid ingredients over the pan and scrape off the burnt bits).  I then reduce this down using a simmer.  One recipe calls for adding flour directly to this mixture.  This is OK, but I think the gravy is better if you use roux (fat + flour, in this case butter).  Roux can be tricky for me -- you put butter into a sauce pan over around medium heat and add flour, and you really have to watch not burning the butter.  When I did this last year, I burnt the first batch.  Nonetheless, it adds a complexity and thickness to the gravy that adding flour alone cannot handle. 

Anyway, anyone have any additional tricks?  In particular, does anyone have any good side dish recipes?  That's the one thing I lack -- side dishes.  I've made a sweet potato casserole recipe (from Cook's Illustrated) that was great, but other than that I lack breads, green bean casseroles, etc. 

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #1 on: 2 Nov 2006, 01:59 pm »
Thanks recipe sounds good.  Mmmm  Mmmm

This year I've been invited for Thanksgiving dinner and we'll be having Tofurkey  :drool:


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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #2 on: 2 Nov 2006, 02:00 pm »
Anyone ever try a Turducken?  I've been tempted to try it...

http://www.cajunstuff.com/store/turducken_faqs.php

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #3 on: 2 Nov 2006, 02:45 pm »
Anyone ever try a Turducken?  I've been tempted to try it...

http://www.cajunstuff.com/store/turducken_faqs.php

Ummmm...what is that about.  Ok, when we are stuffing meat with another meat, oh wait let's stuff yet another meat inside...do we still have room for the stuffing...yeah we'll squeeze some stuffing in there somewhere...

Now if this recipe is coming from the New Orleans area, then enough said...they do special things with food.

OK, Tofurkey or Turducken
There couldn't be a bigger contrast.

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #4 on: 2 Nov 2006, 02:53 pm »
Thanks for the receipe Bob.  May have to give it a go this year.  We usually have two turkeys, one brined, the other deep-fry'd.

I agree, brining the bird makes a difference. 

Another recommendation, cook the turkey upside down, that way all the juices run down into the breast meat.

Regards,
Jeff

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #5 on: 3 Nov 2006, 06:41 pm »
Thanks recipe sounds good.  Mmmm  Mmmm

This year I've been invited for Thanksgiving dinner and we'll be having Tofurkey  :drool:



Launche,

I advise you to call in sick. Tofurkey is beyond terrible.

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #6 on: 3 Nov 2006, 06:44 pm »
Just don't try to quickly defrost a turkey by setting the oven on "self clean :o

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #7 on: 3 Nov 2006, 09:21 pm »
Brining does make a big difference , not only with turkey but chicken also .

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #8 on: 3 Nov 2006, 09:51 pm »
Last year I made Chipotle Sweet Potatoes. This dish is outstanding!! Penzy's Spices has high quality Chipotle powder, I have also used canned Chipotle peppers to great success.

MMMMMMMM

Steve

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Re: Talkin' Turkey (and other Thanksgiving dishes)
« Reply #9 on: 3 Nov 2006, 10:09 pm »
Frank, that was funny!

 :rotflmao:

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