Best input sensitivity (Gain) - 9BSST

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flom

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Best input sensitivity (Gain) - 9BSST
« on: 31 Oct 2006, 03:37 pm »
Hi all,
I always wonder about trying to understand the figures presented in the amp specifications :

Gain
29dB - 1.1Vin = 120W @ 8 Ohms - (1V Position)
23dB - 2.2Vin = 120W @ 8 Ohms - (2V Position)
17dB - 4.4Vin = 120W @ 8 Ohms - (4V Position)

Noise
>110dB below rated output 29dB gain (- 73dBu)
>113dB below rated output 23dB gain (- 76dBu)
>116dB below rated output 17dB gain (- 79dBu)

Can someone help me to "decrypt" the value and tell what is the best configuration ?

Basically, My preamp is an SP1.7 & my speakers are revel Performa F30 (front:87 dB SPL, with 2.83 Vrms @ 1 m) & C30 (center:90.5 dB SPL, with 2.83 Vrms @ 1 m).
Furthermore, the best configuration I made consists in using 2 9BBSST channels per F30 (biamplification). Is one 9BSST channel not providing sufficient power for one F30?
Thx in advance for your return
Cheers
Fabien

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Re: Best input sensitivity (Gain) - 9BSST
« Reply #1 on: 31 Oct 2006, 06:59 pm »
Hi Fabien;
 
  The question of which sensitivity setting is 'best' can sometimes seem confusing.  I will try to clarify: In theory, you don't need gain in the amplifier if it can't be used to provide undistorted output.  In other words, if the sensitivity on your amp is such that the signal would be clipping horribly at full volume control rotation, it's too high for the installation.  Also, the amp will be amplifiying more preamp noise than is necessary at normal volume levels.  Bryston tries to avoid this situation by providing different sensitivity settings in our amplifiers
 
   In the example you gave above, the 9B SST can be set so that it reaches full rated power, (140Wpc), at 1.1V, 2.2V or 4.4V.  Assuming your preamp provides 3.0V at full volume control with your present signal source, your choice would be the 2.2V setting.  That way, you would have the capability of reaching full rated power if desired, but still keep the noise in the system as low as possible.
 
   Some people prefer a setup where the volume control increases rapidly, and reaches earsplitting volume at only half the volume-control rotation. I tend to think it's safer and more noise-free overall to set the system up, if possible, so that the amp won't clip until almost all the control rotation is reached.  That's what Bryston recommends.
 
   On your second question, a passive biamped setup actually provides almost the exact same power overall per driver, since both amps receive the full spectrum of music.  If you detect an improvement, it may be because there is lower distortion in the cables with a passive biamped setup.  Much of the same improvement can be obtained through bi-wiring.
 
   I hope the above is helpful, but please let me know if you have other questions. Thanks for choosing Bryston!
 
Chris Russell
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« Last Edit: 31 Oct 2006, 07:24 pm by James Tanner »

flom

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Re: Best input sensitivity (Gain) - 9BSST
« Reply #2 on: 31 Oct 2006, 09:02 pm »
Hi Chris, thank you so much for this very valuable answer.
I understand that 1.1v is pretty good in order to avoid noise but coupled w/ my sp1.7, you recommend to use the mid-position (2.2) to benefit from the better course of the volume rotation. That way, the noise generated is not considered as critical?

Your remark related to bi-wiring is really interesting (providing less distortion). I was always said that biwring was more a myth than anything else. My current configuration (bi amp) is really better than the standard one w/ my speakers (that are known to be really power consuming). I will try the biwring & come back to you asap

with best regards
Fabien

flom

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Re: Best input sensitivity (Gain) - 9BSST
« Reply #3 on: 7 Nov 2006, 06:47 pm »
I did one full week test. With this time feedback I can tell that in my configuration & room, biwiring is a good trade off. It is indeed a way to minimize distortion and to gain in all registeries. Nevertheless, my feeling with passive bi-amp was founded & it is another step (than biwiring) in optimization. Blind tests confirmed the point.
I find the 2.2v configuration comfortable for a listening session & very few differences are perceivable...

I think now that the ideal solution for me (& my F30 loudspeakers) would be the 6BSST  :oops:

Thx again Chris

Fabien