Container Shipping audio gear

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Read 1819 times.

karthikn

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 45
Container Shipping audio gear
« on: 23 Jun 2003, 09:13 pm »
I would be packing up my things in a couple of months time and moving back home.  My stuff, including the audio gear will be on a boat, shipped in a container to India.  Specifically about the audio stuff:I have the manufacturer's packing for most of the items, including speakers and I will be using them.  All of them include a layer of plastic wrapping.  Can anybody point out other precautions that I should take ?

Karthi

JohnR

Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #1 on: 24 Jun 2003, 01:52 am »
Crikey :o I just did this...

Are you doing all the packing and shipping yourself, or having a "professional" do it?

If the former I can relate my experience, which might help...

karthikn

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 45
Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #2 on: 24 Jun 2003, 01:39 pm »
John, please do tell.  Looking at how much I am going to be charged for by the "professionals", I decided to do it myself.

JohnR

Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #3 on: 24 Jun 2003, 05:59 pm »
Actually, you may not save quite as much as you think doing it yourself when all's said and done. It's still a fair bit cheaper to DIY tho, lemme see what I can remember.

First, I assume you are going to get crates made. Shop around, the places that have a web presence are $$$! I was lucky to get put onto a place that normally does business stuff, but they were nice people and didn't mind doing a personal shipment. They built the crates and let me take my stuff there myself to load it into the crates. Saved me some $$ trying to get a forklift and truck around to my place to pick up loaded crates :o

Some countries require crates to be certified free of borers. Australia does anyway, other countries are probably less picky.

I paid 200 each for 38x38x46" heat-treated crates with skids (internal dimensions). It was painful to give 'em away at this end, but there wasn't much else I could do with 'em :(

Same with the shipping company, ask around to get recommendations.

When I got my stuff to the crate-builder, the guy asked me if I had everything packed in vapor barrier bags. Uhhhh... what??  (I said..) It turns out that if the container with your stuff in it gets put on the deck of the ship, it can get a load of saltwater in it -- so your stuff better be completely moisture-proof. When I got the crates, only one of them had got wet, on one corner. Still, it pays to be safe with electronics, so you might want to check into this. I ended up having them build a vapor barrier bag right on the inside of the crate. It's kind of a silver thing, which is sealed with a heating... um thing. Another $45 per crate  :o

No motor vehicles? Good, cuz that a whole 'nother level of complications :)

Ah, some shipping companies won't insure personal effects. I guess when you get a mover to do it, they do the insurance, but if you go direct to a freight forwarder they may not want to know about it. It turned out I could have insured my stuff but I ended up shipping it uninsured, the shipping guy obviously thought the insurance was a waste of $ (and it was quite a bit).

Some options. After doing this, I came to the conclusion that for moving overseas it's more optimal to either have a little stuff or a lot of stuff. You can ship a container for the same price as about a third of its cubic footage when you use LCL (less than container load). So if you have a car or a grand piano you wouldn't mind keeping, or for that matter nice furniture, look into that. The other end of the scale is where you just carry and/or post stuff to yourself. If you don't have anything that can't be fit into a reasonable size box and weighs less then 44 pounds... this is certainly an option. Quite seriously, when you use the post office, they deliver it to your door (or to your suburb anyway), and coming into Australia anyway it's under the Customs radar....

Anyway, that brings me to collecting your stuff at the other end. First hard lesson: make sure that you know exactly *when* your stuff is arriving. If you don't collect it fast, they charge you storage fees, I got hit with an extra $350 for being two days late. Take a flatbed truck that's large enough to pick up everything in one go, the guys working at the LCL depot are not exactly interested in having a nice chat about what you would like to do today and what you would like to do tomorrow.

Speaking of charges... apart from my extra bonus charge just mentioned, I had to pay duty (not too much, fortunately), port fees, truck rental, and storage rental (for a week while I unpacked the crates). I did customs clearance myself, otherwise there would have been another few hundred for that. Bear in mind that sea freight is charged by volume, while the post office goes by weight. Quite seriously, if I had ditched the heavy stuff like the vintage amps, transformers, and LPs, it may have actually been cheaper to just post the stuff to myself. It certainly would have been less stressfull... heh...

On the sending end, you're up for packing material, crates, freight charges, insurance (maybe), truck rental moving the stuff to whereever it gets packed.

If you search on the web you'll see some places that have a palletization type of service. This is where you take your stuff there, dump it on a pallet and shrink wrap it. I thought about this but the thought of a forklift driver dumping a ton of something on top of my gear killed that pretty quick.

Hm, well hope that helps, I don't remember too much else. Check into the incoming customs regulations, I had to remove shoes and camping equipment from the crates at the last minute because they had to be washed otherwise my whole shipment might have got stuck in customs quarantine. Maybe this is just an Australia thing.

Let me know how you go, I'm interested to hear :).

JohnR

TheeeChosenOne

Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #4 on: 24 Jun 2003, 06:26 pm »
That's good to ship in a container.  Never ship open-space where the boat crew has access to stuff.

I've shipped cars on boats and have had the windows broken and stereos stolen, etc more than a few times.  Those damn crew mates literally are ex-con pirates.  Be wary of them.

Despite filing pesky insurance claims, it's just not worth the savings of open-space shipping.  Shipping in containers, locked & sealed, is the ONLY way on a boat.  My cars were just fine once I started putting them in containers, uhhh........w/ my H!

J/k!   :lol:

bubba966

Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #5 on: 24 Jun 2003, 10:51 pm »
Quote from: JohnR
If you search on the web you'll see some places that have a palletization type of service. This is where you take your stuff there, dump it on a pallet and shrink wrap it. I thought about this but the thought of a forklift driver dumping a ton of something on top of my gear killed that pretty quick.


John,

Good thinking on your part to get your gear crated, & not just wrapped on a pallet.

I used to drive a forklift at Costco. And I know all too well how easy things get damaged by forks if not severely packed well.

You've gotta move a lot of freight, in a little time. Leads to running a lift to fast, and the forks end up somewhere they're not supposed to be as most people can't run a forklift very well. Most of the damage was done by forklift drivers either running their forks through something, squashing a pallet while moving another one, or just stacking too much stuff on top of a pallet.

karthikn

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 45
Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #6 on: 25 Jun 2003, 12:21 am »
Thanks for the pointers.  I am glad I asked.  The crate(ing) sounds like the way to go vs.  palletization which the shipper suggested.  Certainly dont want a huge hole in the speak where the woofer should be.  With regards to fees on the other end (customs clearance, destuffing, transport to door etc.), the charges are pretty nominal in India and the process fairly nightmarish to attempt on your own.  I am shipping LCL and no car.  For one, I will be sitting on the wrong side of the car driving over there :lol:.  One shipper in fact told me that there is even a good chance that my car wont leave the port due to new rules on importing used cars :o There's a bunch of restrictions like right hand drive, more than 3 years usage blah blah.  

I will post on how it goes.  Now to work on the spelling or my daughter who would start school over there will think I dont know how to:  "centre", not center and photoes, not "photos" and palletisation, not "palletization"  :lol:

tmd

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 160
Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #7 on: 25 Jun 2003, 08:15 am »
We moved from Canada back to Ireland last year and a full 20 foot container was cheaper than crates. They backed a trailer up to my front door on a Friday. I built a ramp from my front deck into it and loaded it myself. I packed all my electronics in very large black sacks, aswell as original packing wherever possible.
I had some 2x4's and plywood around the place which I used to build 'shelves' inside the container as I packed which really helped to stack stuff more safely. I was very surprised that the container, although very densely packed, was completely full when I finished. In fact, we left a few larger items behind as they just wouldn't fit. When I originally estimated the size needed I though that I would have a half full container so there you go. No car either by the way.
On this end, the container, on a truck was parked outside our door for a few hours and we unloaded it all very quickly. It was a relatively painless process.

karthikn

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 45
Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #8 on: 5 Dec 2003, 12:27 pm »
So I am back in my hometown and my stuff arrived at last after a 11 week journey.   I used the services of a shipper who did a door-to-door delivery from NJ to Madras.  I packed all my electronics in the original boxes after wrapping each with a couple of layers of thick plastic wrap that I had from Lowes or Home Depot and taped them.  I then had this wrapped with another layer of corrugated paper ("Kraftpaper") and then a layer of shrink wrap.  All of this along with the household items went into a crate.  No vapour barrier though.  I was promised that this will travel underdeck and so I thought I will take the chance.  Customs was a breeze except for the fact that I had to open every damn audio box that I had so carefully packed.  They were also merciful as even used audio goods attract a duty of 30%  :o

Now I have to just convert some of the stuff to use 220V.  The Monarchy folks were very helpful with instructions.  NAD insisted that I ship it to Bombay to get it done even though I told them that shipping is expensive here.  I hope it is just the transformers that have to be rewired and nothing else.

Karthi

audiojerry

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 1355
Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #9 on: 5 Dec 2003, 01:46 pm »
Interesting stories, guys. Thanks for sharing. I'm considering living part time in other countries when I retire. I will try to remember what I learned here.

John, karthikn, others,
If you'd like to share, I was wondering what circumstances brought you to the states and subsequently back home, and how do you feel about the transition? I'm not trying to start any patriotic or nationalistic dribble, but I am truely interested in your experiences. I believe it is culturally enriching for someone to live in more than one point on the globe.

Thump553

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 511
Container Shipping audio gear
« Reply #10 on: 5 Dec 2003, 01:48 pm »
Wow.  Quite a bit different than the moves I'm used to- a borrowed pickup truck and plenty of beer and pizza, and hope it doesn't rain.