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Daygloworange

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Re: diffusor
« Reply #40 on: 22 Jun 2007, 05:13 pm »
Allen,

I've noticed that SLR uses a symmetrical, mirror imaged pattern for the different depths. Most well type diffusors I've seen seem to be a more random, configuration of well depths.

Have you tested the 2 types of configurations? If so, what did you find? And what made you decide to do it symmetrical / mirror image configuration?

Can you explain what the performance differences between the various overall depths of the SLR diffusors?

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Re: diffusor
« Reply #41 on: 14 Oct 2007, 09:27 pm »
We have relied on the testing done by Salford University in England, and papers published by Manfred Schroeder and Peter D’Antonio (the pioneers of modern diffusion technology).  Based on this research, summarized effectively in “The Master Handbook of Acoustics” by F. Alton Everest, we came to the following conclusions:

1. The quadratic-residue diffusor yields the best diffusion coefficient over the greatest frequency range of any known design.  These units are mirror image by definition.

2. The number of wells and their depth affect the performance.  The deeper wells and greater number of them yields the best performance over the greatest frequency range.

3. To design modules with the highest diffusion coefficient you must use high prime numbers, which generate large sized modules.

From these conclusions, it follows that the small sized diffusors popular on the market today have the lowest diffusion coefficient. The practice of placing 4 or more of these diffusors side by side creates lobing problems at certain frequencies.  We always recommend the largest size module that will fit the space.  The performance level of this approach has our customers grinning from ear to ear.   

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Re: diffusor
« Reply #42 on: 15 Oct 2007, 04:38 pm »
We have relied on the testing done by Salford University in England, and papers published by Manfred Schroeder and Peter D’Antonio (the pioneers of modern diffusion technology).  Based on this research, summarized effectively in “The Master Handbook of Acoustics” by F. Alton Everest, we came to the following conclusions:

1. The quadratic-residue diffusor yields the best diffusion coefficient over the greatest frequency range of any known design.  These units are mirror image by definition.

2. The number of wells and their depth affect the performance.  The deeper wells and greater number of them yields the best performance over the greatest frequency range.

3. To design modules with the highest diffusion coefficient you must use high prime numbers, which generate large sized modules.

From these conclusions, it follows that the small sized diffusors popular on the market today have the lowest diffusion coefficient. The practice of placing 4 or more of these diffusors side by side creates lobing problems at certain frequencies.  We always recommend the largest size module that will fit the space.  The performance level of this approach has our customers grinning from ear to ear.   


1) QRD's do work well. However, there are several alternative sequences which are as good. QRD's actually are NOT mirror image - by definition....close, but not quite.

2) It has been said that "in life there are no advantages, only trade-offs". That applies here. Deeper wells diffuse deeper. Thinner wells diffuse higher. But, that is really just the start and not the whole story in diffuser design. Thin wells cause problems with absorption and with low frequency performance.

3) To say: "To design modules with the highest diffusion coefficient you must use high prime numbers" ignores a massive portion of the research on diffusion today.

To create a "small" diffusor with excellent performance does take some engineering and design. But, it has been done in more than one product on the market today. Lobing is certainly an issue. There are some products that I don't like too much for that reason. But, with a real QRD design it is easily dealt with. At 4 wide it really is a tiny issue (though still can be optimized if you are a perfectionist). With larger arrays it is no problem unless you are in a stadium or concert hall in which you probably want to switch to something like a "poly".

Regards,

Jason
« Last Edit: 15 Oct 2007, 08:23 pm by Jason Jones »

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Re: diffusor
« Reply #43 on: 15 Oct 2007, 07:19 pm »
Nice to see this topic come up again. As it happens, just yesterday I created a short video that lets people unfamiliar with diffusion "hear" what it sounds like. This new video is near the bottom of the list on our Videos page:

www.realtraps.com/videos.htm

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Re: diffusor
« Reply #44 on: 15 Oct 2007, 07:33 pm »
Hey there Ethan!

I was hoping I would get to meet you at the Audiofest last weekend. Maybe next year, I guess.

Jason

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Re: diffusor
« Reply #45 on: 15 Oct 2007, 07:54 pm »
Nice to see this topic come up again. As it happens, just yesterday I created a short video that lets people unfamiliar with diffusion "hear" what it sounds like. This new video is near the bottom of the list on our Videos page:

www.realtraps.com/videos.htm

--Ethan

That's a great vid, Ethan.