A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass

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ehider

A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass
« on: 4 Jan 2003, 10:04 pm »
In the past I've had a big problem trying to convince "non-audiophiles" to go with a speaker like Nohr (some hate the "Nohr look" while others want something that will play higher levels with more bass). Unfortunately, I am finding that Nohr's budget offerings really don't meet the bass level expectations of my mid-fi friends. For some reason they actually think that five to six hundred dollars is allot of money! Believe it or not, many actually think that this should be enough money to find a serious full range speaker with pounding bass. What's an audiophile to do?? What the hell do I recommend? Well I finally think I've found a budget speaker that meets the above criteria of non-audiophiles (and perhaps audiophiles too!)

It is the Athena Technologies F2 floor standing speaker at $599 a pair.

Actually I am a bit surprised that no one (on HD for instance) has talked about this speaker. It has more authority and will play louder than any of the other "recommended" budget speakers on HD's prior threads (that I can recall). This "authority" quality seems to be VERY important to most non-audiophiles that I know. In my experience many non-audiophiles have an expectation that "expensive $600 a pair" speakers have the ability to play pretty extreme sound pressure levels, especially in the bass. Most budget minded audiophile speakers cannot do this and really fall apart when they are eq'd for "better bass" (do you know how many non-audiophiles crank the bass and loudness controls on their receivers? This will destroy most audiophile budget speakers!). The Athena F2's actually have two 8" woofers in a tower acoustic suspension speaker configuration. IMHO this driver complement does a much better at meeting the expectations of the non-audiophile for bass (it works pretty darn well for audiophiles too!)

Another point about the Athenas is they seem to be VERY well balanced and sorted out for a budget minded speaker. I was told that the same development group that made the Sound Dynamics RTS-3 design had a hand in the Athena's development. The RTS-3s are legendary for their midrange that compares with multi-thousand dollar high end speakers (I still am scratching my head on how the desingers pulled this off for only $198 a pair). In comparison, the Athena F2's have a better tweeter and far surpass the Sound Dynamics in terms of bass, sound levels, overall refinement and bass definition with less bloat, which was the biggest downfall of the RTS-3 IMHO. (Note: The RTS-3's are no longer manufactured).

Best of all, the prior design experience with the RTS-3's indicates this design group has ears and has figured out a way to achieve decent high end sound on the cheap with their new Athena F2 offering, with very good authoritive bass to boot!  :P

nathanm

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« Reply #1 on: 4 Jan 2003, 11:05 pm »
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hairofthedawg

A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass
« Reply #2 on: 4 Jan 2003, 11:28 pm »
move to the 12 volt circle?  :mrgreen:

TheChairGuy

Re: A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass
« Reply #3 on: 5 Jan 2003, 03:36 pm »


ehider,

Funny you mentioned this - just got the latest issue of Audio Advisor and they sell this speaker line and noticed a fair amount of hardware there for $599.00.  It's 51 lbs. each of something in there, too - likely a decently thick, braced mdf cabinet and some meaty woofer baskets.  Looks interesting on the cheap. 93db efficient should get them bouncing in somebodies place.

Also in Audio Advisor is the similarly specced Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 - dual 6.5" drivers, but I think one is a passive radiator (and a well respected soft dome neo tweeter).  Go's low to cited 30hz, only 86db inn-efficent, but part of a well-respected Brit line of Diamond series speakers.  Cost $549.00.

I heard them several months ago however on 'nuttin special' equipment and they sounded poor.  They sounded very congested on the bottom - much like my 'big bang for the buck' Camber 5.0ti's a few years ago.  They do put out a prodigious amount of bass for their size and cost, it's just not pretty by most of our standards.

Your non-audiophile friends may like them though for the bass output only.  I actually preffered the single (Kevlar) woofer model 8.3 ($349.99) -just the right balance, but no stonkin' bass.

audioengr

A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass
« Reply #4 on: 5 Jan 2003, 08:08 pm »
At $600 this is getting pretty close to the cost of a used set of Vandersteen 2CE's, which will likely outperform these.

Hantra

A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass
« Reply #5 on: 5 Jan 2003, 08:35 pm »
I agree.  The Vandersteens will likely smack down any offering from Wharfdale, or anything near $600.

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JohnR

A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass
« Reply #6 on: 5 Jan 2003, 08:39 pm »
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Of course used equipment is cheaper. That's because it's used.

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fredgarvin

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« Reply #7 on: 6 Jan 2003, 02:02 am »
I listened to some vandys at a dealership, I dont know which model but it was bigger than the 2ce, and they sounded very much like the Wharefdale Valdus 500, warm pleasing sound but not the best in detail or air. Not an a/b test but a definate similarity in sound. I liked the paradigm 100 they had better, and the Martin Logans better than both. Within the Logans' limitations that is.

roopaudio

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A Budget Speaker other than Nohr with more bass
« Reply #8 on: 7 Jan 2003, 02:12 am »
For $600, I'd say the NHT SuperTwo's were pretty nice - and that's $600 new :)

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