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Quote from: MauiMods on 3 Aug 2006, 08:00 pmTvad, 99% of the products you see, is products I endorsed or are paid banner advertisements.Anthony, however you choose to spin this is up to you. Anyone going to your Aberdeencomponents.com website would conclude you are selling the products for which you have graphics. Otherwise, what's the point of having the website? Shall we conclude the only product you sell is the Esoteric DV-60 or UX-3 Limiteds (In Stock...Now Shipping)? If one were to contact you about Tact Audio, Furutech, DH Labs or Magnum Dynalab products, you would not be able to sell their products because you aren't a dealer? What products or service comprises the nature of your business as Aberdeen Components?
Tvad, 99% of the products you see, is products I endorsed or are paid banner advertisements.
Quote from: draco on 3 Aug 2006, 06:24 pmIt seems to me that it would be fairly easy for Olive to release a statement in response to Anthony. Why haven't they done so (or, at least in a forthright manner). I don't want to speak for Olive here, but I made a promise to myself when I became a dealer that if I was ever in a situation where a customer took an issue with me to an Internet discussion forum, I would adhere to a policy of not debating the issue online. Quite honestly, if an issue ever rises to the point where someone takes it online with the intention of slamming a company, that company will NEVER benefit from debating it publicly (or even just releasing a statement)...it all just becomes fodder for out-of-context quotes, continued bashing, and in the end, the truth never comes out anyways. Phil - You have a point. But (and I'm saying this as a 13-year PR professional), by now, the word of this thread has spread all over the Internet (at least as it relates to the smallish audiophile HT community). I find it VERY odd that nobody from Olive is directly responding to Anthony's charges. However, it seems that they MAY be communicating with 3rd parties to discredit Anthony (VERY shady if true). In my mind, the silence just affirms some of the negatives outlined by Anthony. By way of contrast, I am also an av123 customer. I'm sure you know what happened when MLS got slammed on the DD/SPL II issue with the new UL pre-amp. His immediate response spoke volumes (at least to me) about his products and integrity. He listened, communicated and made it right. The downside: short-term financial loss. The upside: exceptional customer loyalty to the brand. And, Mr. Moderator, PLEASE do not lock this thread. Despite some unfortunate statements, on the whole, this has been an illuminating discussion. Again, just my 2 cents. (Oh, almost forgot to mention that none of this should rub off on John Casler. He was a pleasure to deal with.)
It seems to me that it would be fairly easy for Olive to release a statement in response to Anthony. Why haven't they done so (or, at least in a forthright manner).
You never compared an OPUS with a Muscia? They do have the same features? fraction of the price too.Anthony - Hey. In your mind, how DOES the Musica compare to the OPUS? Both as-is and as-promised?
You never compared an OPUS with a Muscia? They do have the same features? fraction of the price too.[
Anthony, I’m just trying to understand the nature of your business as Aberdeen Components. You claim not to be an online retailer, yet on your Aberdeencomponents.com website you advertise the Esoteric DV-60 and UX-3 components as being In Stock and Shipping Now.You purchased several Olive Opus units, but not to re-sell? Therefore, we should conclude you purchased several Opus units for your personal use? Olive products, and the Opus in particular, are of interest to me, and I’m just trying to get a handle on how Aberdeen Components and Maui Mods fits in.
Quote from: MauiMods on 3 Aug 2006, 08:36 pmYou never compared an OPUS with a Muscia? They do have the same features? fraction of the price too.[Actually I did, the reseller carries both product lines. The Musica's analog out sounded ok for its price, but there was a clear audible difference to the opus.
This has NOTHING to do with MauiMod or Aberdeencomponents.I am sorry, if my handle I used is mauimods, I wished I never used it.If you can read My post correctly, these where samples bought from a dealerfor testing and review. What do you NOT understand?I AM NOT A DEALER OR EVER WAS FOR OLIVE. I NEVER BOUGHT ANYTHING FROM THEM DIRECT.Can you please drop this?If you have intrest in Olive call them direct.If you have any intrest in any of my companies, call me direct.
And for $300, the SB3 blows all them out the water.I highly doubt you compared the Opus to the Musica side by side.Cause if you did, you would of mentioned the Musica in your first post.Quote from: satchmofan on 3 Aug 2006, 08:55 pmQuote from: MauiMods on 3 Aug 2006, 08:36 pmYou never compared an OPUS with a Muscia? They do have the same features? fraction of the price too.[Actually I did, the reseller carries both product lines. The Musica's analog out sounded ok for its price, but there was a clear audible difference to the opus.
By way of contrast, I am also an av123 customer. I'm sure you know what happened when MLS got slammed on the DD/SPL II issue with the new UL pre-amp. His immediate response spoke volumes (at least to me) about his products and integrity. He listened, communicated and made it right. The downside: short-term financial loss. The upside: exceptional customer loyalty to the brand.
Quote from: MauiMods on 3 Aug 2006, 09:05 pmAnd for $300, the SB3 blows all them out the water.I highly doubt you compared the Opus to the Musica side by side.Cause if you did, you would of mentioned the Musica in your first post.Quote from: satchmofan on 3 Aug 2006, 08:55 pmQuote from: MauiMods on 3 Aug 2006, 08:36 pmYou never compared an OPUS with a Muscia? They do have the same features? fraction of the price too.[Actually I did, the reseller carries both product lines. The Musica's analog out sounded ok for its price, but there was a clear audible difference to the opus.oh oh, I guess I am in your line of fire now. whatever you say MauiMods, whatever you say ...
Quote from: draco on 3 Aug 2006, 08:33 pmBy way of contrast, I am also an av123 customer. I'm sure you know what happened when MLS got slammed on the DD/SPL II issue with the new UL pre-amp. His immediate response spoke volumes (at least to me) about his products and integrity. He listened, communicated and made it right. The downside: short-term financial loss. The upside: exceptional customer loyalty to the brand. I'm not familiar with what went on with AV123, but based on what you described, it sounds like MLS had a design flaw, then made good on correcting the mistake for their customers. I certainly applaud that kind of service to customers. However, this example/analogy only works in the case where the company was truly in the wrong...that they took the financial hit to correct a real problem. In this case with Olive, we have no idea what the truth is...here's what I know:-Anthony has experience modifying gear and has some loyal customers who stand by his integrity.-Jeff (from RA) has a track record of engineering excellence, not only with his own RA products, but also sub-contracting work for Ayre (designed the transport for the CX-7) and BAT (designed "everything after the transport and before the tubes" on the VK-D5)....beyond that, there hasn't been anything posted in this thread about the design of the product that has been proven with a schematic or photograph, or a measurement taken with a true explanation of what was being measured.I don't doubt Anthony's desire for the truth, and don't believe that he has any other motivation other than to tell people what he believes he has discovered. But I also believe Jeff is one of the best designers in the business, and I can't imagine that he would put something out that wasn't of the highest quality within the means of the budget available to his design. Do I wish that Olive (or Jeff) would post their side of the story so that we can all get a more complete picture? Sure. But I can certainly understand why they don't...if they believe they have not done anything wrong, then the only possible outcome from this is a long and drawn-out nasty debate which does no one any good.
I just like to make clear the DAC that is used in a one chip 2 channel dac (right and left channel) it is classified by Texas instruments Spec sheet as being a two channel Dac. Jeff is was trying to justify this is a 4 DAC chip, stating its a 4 dac chip, A dac for each of the - , + , of the left and right channels. This is FALSE. and the people at Texas Instruments agreed. And again Why are the part number grinded on the Dac board?
