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#2. Cost is not an object loudspeaker designs. I know a lot of people want to go nuts. My thoughts are that good design (not just the loudspeaker) is much more important than throwing money at a project and it is counter to my nature to run the price of a product up just to capitalize on someones obsessive compulsive behavior
I'm all for cost-no-object, new benchmark type speaker that:* handles close to full-range (down to low 20s)* seamless integration between bass-midbass-mid-highs * projects a large soundstage especially in width and depth* gets out of the way of music, speakers disappear* can go 0-60 in less than 3 seconds, meaning great dynamics that can handle peaks with ease* satisfying even at low volumes (don't have to crank in order to come alive)* very revealing without sounding cold or hot* reliable design that's not going to blow crossover components (assuming passive xover)* dimensions are not as important for statement speaker, though it will be easier to sell if the dimensions are not wider than 10-11", can be tall and deep... unless you can do a planar-electrostatic type speaker like a Soundlab A-1 or M-1 or a dynamic-horn like JBL K2 S9800* must leave SL Orion and Salk HT3 owners in envy (these are good benchmarks)It does not have to match your Exodus speakers, which are already excellent for HT. This should be a strong statement for all-out 2-channel, not limiting your options for compatibility.Go high-end. There are plenty of options elsewhere.
That's me There are many audio consumers out there that want the very best. I would not consider this to be "capitalizing on someones obsessive compulsive behavior" rather providing a consumer with something they truly want, high quality. "Cost no object" does not mean you are taking advantage of someone.
I don't know about cost no object but a high end dipole array would be pretty cool. The lower crossover point active. Maybe a form factor like the DDR but more drivers Isn't the Kit41 already a "high value" kit? Looks like it
While the ultimate kit may have to wait, you can still create a killer dipole with MTM main over an H-frame. The main woofers could be the 16ohm 7" Extremis drivers Al Wooley is planning to use on the 95db MTM, http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=25792.0
You can not even compair the RA165.16 and RA165.8 to the Extremis.These drivers are miles apart.
Gents,Cost is no object might not be such a good path to follow, check out www.northcreekmusic.com. A great kit supplier with a pretty full product line getting out due to low volume.For me it is high value medium cost with designs that are not the "typical box". For example, three way with open baffle mid and sealed woofer capable of mid 40 Hz f3. How about open baffle two way with active sub. These systems really can keep the cost down and still provide very high performance.Regards,Eric
Kevin: My thoughts. #1 - Do this if you think there's demand. One one hand, there are a lot of people out there that would like to get into speaker building, but don't want to spend a lot of money on their first project. On the other hand, if folks are going to put the time and energy into a project, they usually want to feel as if what they built is premium. Bald and I considered a bunch of options, DIY and otherwise, before we decided to build pairs of your 2641 kits. Our mantra was, "if we're going to spend a lot of time, energy and money on this, not to mention pissing off our significant others, we may as well make it count." i.e., they want to make their DIY efforts count. I imagine that this represents the majority out there. I don't know that there are -that- many chronic -kit- builders out there. Chronic speaker builders, from what I've observed on the forums, seem dedicated to trying "boundary pushing" designs or trying their own designs. But hey, if you have something in the works, I'd love to see it. I -could- be wrong, but value speakers seem to be a dime a dozen. #2 - Yes, please. Don't go bonkers with crossover parts made of gold (or at least offer a sane option), but I think there's always going to be a market for a statement DIY speaker kit. These are the projects people love. "Make it count," again, was our mantra. I'd vote against open baffle, just in terms of marketability. I don't see these being marketable to: (1) people in urban areas that don't have 4' on all sides of the speaker; (2) people that are interested in hybrid ht/stereo applications and, again, don't want to dedicate the space; and (3) people that, while given some flexibility with WAF, couldn't sell speakers in the middle of the room. #3 - Can't wait to see this. Please don't make it $10k like Dan's Muse. I can't wait to see what you decide. I've been extremely happy with your kits and your customer service.
Kevin,Don't assume these have to be new drivers. Being creative, you can get samples from major manufacturers (like Seas) or distributors like Andre, e-speakers. Heck, maybe even Harman International could send you some beryllium drivers.While the ultimate kit may have to wait, you can still create a killer dipole with MTM main over an H-frame. The main woofers could be the 16ohm 7" Extremis drivers Al Wooley is planning to use on the 95db MTM, http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=25792.0 The tweeter could be the Usher's you have or something enticing like the Accuton C24-6 or Seas Excel T29CF-002 Crescendo. You have plenty of good options for the H-frame 10" or 12" woofers, Bravia or Tumult. JohnK's Nao or JonMarsh's Arvo (if it ever gets built) could be good examples.
QuoteWhile the ultimate kit may have to wait, you can still create a killer dipole with MTM main over an H-frame. The main woofers could be the 16ohm 7" Extremis drivers Al Wooley is planning to use on the 95db MTM, http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=25792.0 Al how you come up with this I have no idea. First off we have never said we are doing our 95db MTM with a 16ohm Extremis !! Never will use the Extremis at all in a MTM as far as I can ever see.This new driver is a RAW ACOUSTICS DRIVER. As this was made public on our forum.Not a extremis at all.You can not even compair the RA165.16 and RA165.8 to the Extremis.These drivers are miles apart.