AvantGarde Solos

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John Casler

AvantGarde Solos
« on: 29 May 2003, 10:28 pm »
Boy have I been busy.  But I wanted to get a blip off about a listening session I had with KeithR and his AvantGarde Solos

I also took along my new VMPS 626Rs to use as a Reference (although not broken in yet)

I should start with Keiths Space.  I would guess it at about 10x10 or 12x12ish but much of it is rather open to the rest of his condo.

The only solid wall is on the left side, with the right side and rear being completely open to the next space.  So as the dimensions might seem rather small, it is not a room as much as a listening space, that is open to the rest of the house.

The Solos are set up at what appears to be 7-8 feet apart and probably 7-8 feet to the listening position.

They appeard to be close to 1.5 - 2 feet off the front wall.

They have a very interesting and futuristic look about them.  If you haven't seen them, look here. http://www.avantgarde-usa.com/solo.html

I set my 626Rs outside the solos and toed them in "on axis" to the listening position.

Keith's gear was between the speakers against the wall And great gear it was.  Although I didn't make note of the models, Most was Cary.  Maybe Keith can add the exact models and other gear.

It is my understanding that the Solos List for around $8000+ which puts them in "High End" territory price wise.

With this price is also included an on board power amp so this is not as steep as it first appears.

And how did they sound?  GREAT!!!

I will try to compare them to the 626R but remember there is a significant price difference (although, I would put the 626R up against most speakers up to or in some cases over $5000)

SoundStage:

The Point Source/Horn was very good here and the soundstage was open, and seemed accurate.  Since the 626Rs were sitting "outside" the Solos and toed in accuratley, they too were able to develop a similarly wide stage in this room.

Depth:

The Solos were excellent in the depth dept.  One cut I use to establish this ability is "Tin Pan Alley" by SRV.  You know when you can hear the drum behind the guitar, that the speakers have the juice and the these did an exceptional job.  Since I used the 626 as a reference, it easily matched the 626Rs depth, which is no easy task.

Height:

Now this one was a little strange (not in a bad way, but just differnt)  Because the midrange and tweeter of the 626 were higher, the images were drawn slightly higher.  I had noticed this with the RM40s whe I switched from the Legacy Sig IIIs.  The image is like you are looking up slightly to a stage, where the Solos, the top of the image floated just above the tops of the speakers.

Center Fill:

This is the best Center fill I have heard from a "point source" high dispersion speaker.  Generally high dispersion speakers have a little "fuzzyier" edges or haze around the center images.  The Solo did not and it was as clear and as distinct to me as the 626 which (in the exact sweet spot is razor sharp)

I might add that early on in the session, I freaked a bit when even after a perfect convergence, the 626Rs had no center flill and lock.

I finally realized that the left wall (which was not treated) was causing enough early reflection (the 626R was rather close to it) and drawing the image to the left.  After moving ever so slightly to the right, it snapped into focus and Voila....the Sonic Hologram.

Imaging:

Ditto to the imaging in general.  The edges were clear and distinct.  No small feat for a High Disp./Point SOurce.

Blackness/ Space:

I can't say I made any mental notes regarding this quality, but if my memory serves me correctly it was very good.  Again, I generally find that High Dispersion speakers have a glaze or haze around sounds supended in air, but it seemed that the Solos had plenty of space and blackness.

Dynamics:

Hey, these are HORNS!  While we weren't able to blow the doors down, it was quite evident that the Solos had plenty of clean power and effortlessly handled transient edges and dynamic changes.

While my 626Rs certainly are no slouches, (and they were stil a little tight) they probably couldn't have kept up if we had cranked it too much further.

Bass:

The Solos were very adequate in the low end.  I felt the bass was clean and Low.  Impact was good and no flab at all.  While the 626s have shown me that they can "play" below 35Hz, the Solos have gobs of torque to probaly 30 and probably lower.  You could hear that they sounded deeper.

Mids and Highs:

The Solos are very "smooth" and balanced through the mids and highs.  They are not "HORNY"!!!! at all.  What ever you think a horn is supposed to sound like, These DO NOT!!

Probably the most impressive single performance feature about the Solos was their ability to produce "female" voice.  It was so impressive that i ask Keith to "rip" me a CD of the female singer we were listening to.  She was great.  The 626 was close, but didn't match the silkiness.  Now I hope that is due to not being broken in and when Keith gets that CD to me, I will "tune" the speaker to do the same thing I heard.

Detail and Resolution:

Well if VMPS Ribbons have a strength, it is detail and resolution.  And to be frank, once again I was very surpised to hear a "horn" with these qualities.

I can't state that the very upper level detail was there, but from what I heard, I found it as complete as any dynamic non-ribbon speaker.

So all in all Keith has one incredible system and the Solos are very impressive speakers, and I don't hand out compliments lightly.

I want to thank Keith for taking the time to let me "take a listen" and invite him add any comments or impressions he might have had.

PS  Keith, sorry this took so long and is such a "quicky review" but I have been swamped.

JoshK

AvantGarde Solos
« Reply #1 on: 30 May 2003, 12:06 am »
What were you using to amp the 626s?  Does he still have his V12i?

John Casler

AvantGarde Solos
« Reply #2 on: 30 May 2003, 02:51 am »
Quote from: JoshK
What were you using to amp the 626s?  Does he still have his V12i?


Hi Josh,

I used a small Bryston amp I had.  I don't know if he has the V12i or not.

Have you heard the Solos?  They are very nice.

KeithR

AvantGarde Solos
« Reply #3 on: 30 May 2003, 08:06 pm »
Muchas gracias for John posting some honest observations!

As far as my comments on the 626s, i must say they are very nice speakers in there price range.  I would be extremely curious to hear them up against my former 1.3SEs which would have been more of an even match.  I did think the Solos were superior, but granted the price discrepancy, i would have expected them to be so.

The thing that John hints about the Solos, is a sense of what I call "purity" of tone.  That same female vocal I have heard on perhaps every speaker I have auditioned.  Very, very, very few do it right.  The 626s were good, but not quite as close as I would have imagined despite claims of the ribbon tweet.  The only other knock I have on the 626s in relation to the highs, is that there wasn't as much "air" as I had previously heard on ProAc ribbons for example.  Not sure if room or driver implementation is to fault however, so don't want to make a foregone conclusion now.  I was definitely surprised to hear that the coherancy of the drivers of the 626s was pretty good--not the best I've heard, but many speakers in the 2-5k range dont come close.  Very good detail and resolution in the 626s, and not too bad a low end.  I would be tempted to use a REL Strata for fun of course :)

Finally (as i need to get back to work, and can post more later), equipment used was a Cary SLP 98/Cary 306/200 in addition to a Wadia 861.  We started by doing the Cary vs Wadia testing on the Solos, and both us readily agreed that the Wadia direct was superior in just bout every aspect.   Soundstage, detail, and Johns "more highs and lows" comment were dead on.  Transients and decay were much better on both vocal and classic guitar tracks.  At used prices these days, the Wadia 861 is a steal if you can live with one source.

And to close, Johns comment on the "you haven't heard horns till you hear these" is oh sooo true.  They really are horn speakers designed for dynamic types.  They make one reevaluate what a horn speaker can do---unparalleled dynamics, but without bright/midrange coloration/haze that John alluded to.

Is there better, well sure, but I haven't heard it under 15k.  The RM40s would be a more interesting test i agree.


KeithR


ps. John--i hooked them up to my dj mixer and turntables later that afternoon, and talk about shakin the apartment down....these things play louder and maintain there composure well above 100dbs i would guess.

KeithR

AvantGarde Solos
« Reply #4 on: 30 May 2003, 08:07 pm »
Quote from: JoshK
What were you using to amp the 626s?  Does he still have his V12i?


Josh- sold it about 6-8 months ago.  Was going to go Pass, but have no need anymore.