Bass is not equal on various seating location. Help

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Glenn K

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Bass is not equal on various seating location. Help
« Reply #20 on: 15 May 2006, 10:44 am »
I am into this a little late (mothers day) but Ethan hit on something pretty quick that I think was over looked. Treatment not only helps get the room "more flat" but also decreases ringing within the room.
Ethan do you have that graph with the before and after? If not take a look here: http://www.sbrjournal.net/currentissue/articles/acoustics/Acoustics.htm
I dare anyone to show me a that a eq/moving speakers could do this!

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« Reply #21 on: 15 May 2006, 11:18 am »
Can someone describe for me what the term, "comb filtering" means, as Ethan used it a couple of posts bakc there?

Glenn K

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« Reply #22 on: 15 May 2006, 12:44 pm »
it is a series of peaks and nulls that look like a comb.
check out the video at the real traps site. It goes over this pretty well.
http://www.realtraps.com/videos.htm

Glenn

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Bass is not equal on various seating location. Help
« Reply #23 on: 15 May 2006, 04:12 pm »
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Can someone describe for me what the term, "comb filtering" means, as Ethan used it a couple of posts bakc there?
Allow me. :)
You may have heard of a guitar effect called 'phase shifter' of 'Flanger'. They're similar effects that combine short delays to cause notch filtering. The same thing applies with multiple acoustical paths.
Roughly speaking, any time you mix two of the same signal with one delayed they combine out of phase. The depth of the dips (or in-phase boosts) are determined by the relative loudness of the two. Equal volume at 180' would be your worst-case -full cancellation- (not likely in wall reflections). The frequencies of cancellation (or peaks) begin at the highest frequencies at just a few inches of (acoustic) path difference, and extend down to and include more lower frequencies as the time difference increases.
For an example, in about any untreated room, if you play some steady wide-band signal (mono will highlight this) and walk past across in front of the speakers (or maybe just move your head side to side a few feet) you will hear the effect of your movement changing the combing points.
It's also why they like the phrase; 'Eq doesn't work for this -unless you like to listen with your head in a vise! :wink:
Treatment attenuates the alternate paths.
 :mrgreen:
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Glenn K

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« Reply #24 on: 15 May 2006, 05:09 pm »
Pick up a speaker (or boom box) and start about 3 feet from the wall. Then start to move it closer to the wall and you will hear comb filtering.
Really though you need to watch the video if nothing else you get to see Ethan JAMMING out on the guitar!!!  :mrgreen:

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« Reply #25 on: 15 May 2006, 05:56 pm »
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Pick up a speaker (or boom box) and start about 3 feet from the wall. Then start to move it closer to the wall and you will hear comb filtering.
Really though you need to watch the video if nothing else you get to see Ethan JAMMING out on the guitar!!!  :mrgreen:

Glenn
Wow, thanks. I didn't see these. Thanks for the heads up.
I saw him in the Cello' vid', now guitar too eh?  :mrgreen:
Wayne

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« Reply #26 on: 15 May 2006, 06:47 pm »
I saw demo video from Ethan's website. It's interesting that Ethan hangs the bass trap in the corner mid-way from the floor. Is it the best way or can i put it on the floor and will it be the same effect when hanging mid-way in the corner?

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« Reply #27 on: 15 May 2006, 07:43 pm »
In the front corners I like to put them up about 18 inches. even though it is not a reflection point you do get some chatter from that area. Though it is a good tri corner and that will pick up a lot of low end also.  Honestly in the fronts I think floor to ceiling is best, but we can't always do that.

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Bass is not equal on various seating location. Help
« Reply #28 on: 15 May 2006, 10:31 pm »
If you want maximum bass control, put them starting at the tri-corners.  If they need to double for ear level reflection and SBIR control, then spacing them up a foot or so will be a better place.

If you have the money and the room, do the corners floor to ceiling and get both.