Good book on speaker design

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sts9fan

Good book on speaker design
« on: 20 Apr 2006, 03:34 pm »
Does anyone here know of a good book on speaker design? I am interested in one that will explain matching boxes with drives as well as the different types of boxes. Websites are cool too. Thanks!!

kfr01

Re: Good book on speaker design
« Reply #1 on: 20 Apr 2006, 05:28 pm »
Quote from: sts9fan
Does anyone here know of a good book on speaker design? I am interested in one that will explain matching boxes with drives as well as the different types of boxes. Websites are cool too. Thanks!!


"The Loudspeaker Design Cookbook" by Vance Dickason is a must read.

warnerwh

Good book on speaker design
« Reply #2 on: 21 Apr 2006, 02:54 am »
Both Madisound.com and partsexpress.com have forums for speaker building.

Here's a word of caution.  Don't feel like anybody is picking on you if you get on one of these forums and they tell you that you're looking for big trouble and most likely a waste of time and money if you want to try a complex system.

The above happened to me and I felt like these guys weren't being fair with me. I had the Vance Dickason book above and a small amount of knowledge.  After a few months of research I learned my small amount of knowledge when it comes to speaker design was smaller than I thought. It's an art and a science.  Even a little two way can cost you a few hundred more than you anticipated to get it to sound right.

That said, Good Luck!

kfr01

Good book on speaker design
« Reply #3 on: 21 Apr 2006, 03:05 am »
Quote from: warnerwh
Here's a word of caution.  Don't feel like anybody is picking on you if you get on one of these forums and they tell you that you're looking for big trouble and most likely a waste of time and money if you want to try a complex system.


I have to say, I agree.  It is a very strange hobby.  Most hobbies welcome newcomers.  This one tries to scare away.  

That said, my first couple projects were Kits.  An incredible amount of "hard knocks" learning goes on when building even kits.  I found them a great way to start and now I'm starting ramp up to more complex projects.  

Regardless, if you do your homework the worse that will happen is that you'll break a tweeter or two and short out a channel of a cheap amplifier you use for testing.  

Starting speaker building is like starting any other hobby.  It becomes a money pit.  ("Honey, I gotta run to Lowes for some more wood clamps! --- oooh!  Look, a $100 orbital sander!") However, (and this is a big however), I feel that building speakers (even kits) is one of the best DIY audio investments around.  Nothing effects final sound more than the speakers and the quality of diy cabinet construction will beat anything on the market under a few thousand dollars.  

Check out diycable.com for some great kits.  The 2-way Exodus kit 61 was my first project.  It is just large enough that you'll feel very accomplished, but small enough that the project completes relatively quickly.  

Good luck!  Oh, http://www.partsexpress.com/  

Soak up the information there and buy the Jasper Circle jig set for your router.  Then buy a table saw, a few sheets of MDF, lots of glue, and lots of clamps, and you're 80% of the way there.  :-)

JoshK

Good book on speaker design
« Reply #4 on: 21 Apr 2006, 03:25 am »
Having done a TON of research over the past year and a half on speaker building, design and understanding measurements and how to make them, I can tell you there is a LOT more than first meets the eye.  Making your own design, even if it is a simple 2-way is a very large project, especially for the beginner.  There is a lot more variables then you as an audiophile would otherwise know of.

It is best to start with proven designs that are out there and to truely try to understand the list of objectives, concessions and benefits to chosen method.  Then take this information for various differing speakers and correlate that with your own preference on the performance.

It is my belief that the physics limits us, at least at current, from doing all things perfectly, so we must choose which evils to conquer that we feel are the most hindering and try not to botch completely the others that are of lesser significance.  

Every book on speaker building inevitably sticks to one philosophy and thereby is not complete.  Ultimately the most cutting edge technology and understanding of speaker design is not covered in books, it is either locked away in IP of a company or is being frontiered by the most advanced DIYers paving their own road.

I feel the books are very helpful in gaining basic knowledge, understanding of measurements and their limitations.  From there you try to gain understanding of your own philosophies and what you believe and then go about learning how to best acheive your goals.  

It isn't an inexpensive venture!  Measurement equiptment is not cheap, crossover design optimization software is not cheap (some is free but harder to use and generally not self contained) and proper tools for building speakers are not cheap.  However, if it is a road you are very eager to travel, I think the fruits are quite beneficial.  I think learning to DIY also helps you learn to see through so much of the fluff that is out there.

warnerwh

Good book on speaker design
« Reply #5 on: 21 Apr 2006, 06:03 am »
I'm sure what Josh stated is absolutely correct and could tell that's exactly where I was headed. I've not got Josh's patience or guts though so bought some speakers. My original idea had been a 4 way and I was ready to spend several grand to build a world class speaker that would sound perfect to me, yeah right.

The other suggestion of building kits or proven designs is a great suggestion. I may try a proven design from scratch myself if I ever get the time.

This is just my opinion. If you want to try a simple two way speaker on your own buy an active crossover.  One of these digital ones don't cost much and can be adjusted all over the place. This would help I think give you some significant experience on how crossovers can affect the sound. You will need a second cheap amp but in the long run I think this could be a good learning tool.

You'll learn that the theoretical crossover is not the best one and may sound wrong. This is what I've been told anyway.  Partsexpress will be happy to look up for you on their software the crossover that is theoretically correct. What these guys told me is that you can spend alot of time and money getting the crossover right.

Get on the forums and start talking to these guys. Don't get any brainy ideas like I did to build anything more than a 2 way. I can assure you that it's far more complex than some drivers in a box with a crossover.  Way more complex. This of course assumes you want high quality sound. Any of us can buy some good drivers and a crossover and build a box. What it sounds like though may not be what you think it will or even close. This too is what I was told by many experienced speaker diyer's with a number of years and hard knocks of experience.