BP25DA tragedy

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rleeman

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BP25DA tragedy
« on: 19 Apr 2006, 06:33 pm »
A few days ago I’m sitting in the lounge watching TV and I become aware of a rather unpleasant electrical burning smell…so I check out all my components and can’t work out which of them (if any) is responsible.

Then on the weekend I assume the normal (slothful) position in the lounge, in front of the TV with that glazed expression etched on my face that my wife loves so much, when I cast my eye down at my beloved BP25DA and notice that the pilot light is not on. I look at the MPS-1 power supply and also no light. At this stage I remember the burning smell of a few days back and start to get really worried…and suddenly I become rather purposeful…

I start by changing the fuse in the electrical plug of the power lead for the MPS-1 power supply. No joy. Then I swap the power lead out completely. Still no joy. At this stage I lift up the MPS-1 power supply and it seems to rattle a bit inside (I didn’t remember it doing that when it was new), and surprise surprise, it has that burnt electrical smell. I then disconnect the pre-amp from the other components and do the smell test at the back. Yup, it smells just like the power-supply.

Now I’m no engineer but this has bad news written all over it.  Fortunately the 4BSST seems unaffected by the ordeal of its smaller partner (assuming that the green pilot light on the 4BSST tells the full story). I contacted PMC just up the road in Luton and the engineer was away this week, so it will have to wait to next week.

Any ideas what I could do before then? (Any commiserations would be good too.)[/size]

Sebastiaan de Vries

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« Reply #1 on: 20 Apr 2006, 11:07 pm »
Dear rleeman,

There is nothing you can do then wait till a qualified and authorised technician can help you. It think one of the powersupply elco's is collapsed, or the transformer is burnt down.

Consider also to upgrade to the new MPS-2 powersupply to make from a already good preamp an extraordinary preamp ;)

Good luck and best regards,
Bas

KCLam

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« Reply #2 on: 21 Apr 2006, 03:28 am »
Sorry to hear about this, a similar problem with a friend of mine, the BP25 also shorted the drivers of his FB1. He has to send both the Bryston and the speaker to PMC in UK as he's living in Helsinki.

His problem was, I suspect due to having to reconfigure the voltage setting from 220V to 110 V and than back to 220V again due to his relocation to different countries.

rleeman

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« Reply #3 on: 24 Apr 2006, 11:04 pm »
Thank you for your replies.

I can report that the BP25DA pre-amp went in today as Andy at PMC (Luton) is back from leave. I took the opportunity to send in the 4BSST too since there is a problem with the binding posts at the back whereby the Bryston supplied bananas don't quite fit - you really have to push them hard to get them in. This was reported here ages ago...I never got around to taking it in to PMC but now the opportunity has arisen under somewhat unfortunate circumstances... There is also a slight hum when the room is quiet, it might be nothing but I want PMC to look into it. Finally, I want PMC to check out the amp to see if it got damaged when the pre-amp came to harm.

I did not send in my pair of OB1s but have asked for PMC to give me a view as to whether it is worth having them checked out. This may depend on whether any harm came to the amp.

Interestingly, when I packed the pre-amp and amp back in their original boxes, I noted that the box for the BP25DA said 230V and box for the 4BSST said 240V and “England” on it (where I live). It did not say England on the box of the BP25DA, but from the box appears to have shipped from PMC in the UK to the retailer, so I presume that it was intended for the UK market. I don't know whether 10V makes any difference - does anyone know?

I have taken on board the point about the MPS-2 and have asked to discuss my options if the MPS-1 is a complete write-off or in need of serious repair…we will have to wait and see. Maybe some good will come out of this.

As an aside, not trusting couriers much, and being fortunate to live close to PMC (I live in St. Albans - about 25 minutes by car to Luton), I managed to persuade (bribe) my wife to drop off the amp and pre-amp at PMC. I must admit to being a bit envious not to have been able to make the delivery myself, since I have wanted to do a site visit for ages. The missus reports that the staff at PMC were very friendly and helpful in volunteering to lift the rather weighty amp & less weighty pre-amp out of the car. Even she seemed pleased by the experience - calling me immediately afterwards with a full report - and unlike me is not completely obsessed with hifi & AV equipment!

I must admit to being rather anxious about how this plays out….I will keep you posted as events unfold. Hopefully I will have good news to report in the coming days.

Richard

Levi

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« Reply #4 on: 25 Apr 2006, 12:19 am »
It should not be a problem.

New Zealand operates on 220 – 240 volts A.C., 50Hz.  Check your local
power company.

Nick1360

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« Reply #5 on: 25 Apr 2006, 08:37 am »
Hi

Sorry to hear about your problems. I too have a BP25 and am thinking of upgrading the power supply so will be v interested in what PMC have to say.

I too live down the road from PMC Luton in Welwyn Garden City. I took my FB1s in for the FB1+ upgrade and took the time to visit the factory (workshops is nearer the mark) and was well rewarded for the effort.

Highly recommend you make time to personnally pick your equipment up when its done.

rleeman

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« Reply #6 on: 29 Apr 2006, 07:49 pm »
I am pleased to be able to report good news.

On Thursday I got a call from Andy Wilson saying that both my amp and pre-amp were ready. This was great to hear, and not bad going considering that they were only taken in to PMC on Monday this week.

It turns out that mine was one of the early BP25 units with the DAC, and it needed to have a modification done to prevent it from running too hot…apparently it had been running too hot all along, causing one of the components in the BP25 to burn out (even though it was on idle at the time), and when it did it took out the MPS-1 power supply too. I understand that the modification has now been done, the burnt out component within the BP25 replaced, and the MPS-1 unit was replaced completely.

Fortunately the 4BSST amp was not damaged by what happened to the pre-amp. Andy was able to reduce the slight hum and replace the faulty binding posts at the back - the other reasons for taking in the amp.

I declined Andy’s kind offer to have the units sent back to me, since I had Friday off work and preferred instead to collect them myself from PMC in Luton. I must admit to driving past PMC three times, since being a bloke (and therefore unable to multi-task effectively) I found myself easily distracted by the bright yellow speed cameras (in both directions) right outside PMC’s premises, and not focussing on where I was trying to get to. That aside, it was not too difficult to get there.

PMC’s rather austere exterior belies what is to be found within. The staff members were friendly, courteous and professional. When I introduced myself at reception, the gentleman said “Oh yes, I’ll call Andy for you.” I was impressed that they knew who I was - how often do you get that as a customer?

Andy took me through to the workshop where technicians were hard at work building new speakers….I was particularly pleased to see some OB1s being worked on since that is what I have at home in my own system. I also enjoyed seeing a rather large toroidal transformer being used as a door-stop in Andy’s office! Even though my visit was brief, I got the distinct impression that PMC is a very special company, one of those “pockets of excellence” that you come across every now and again. (I suppose this should not have been a surprise, after owning a pair of their loudspeakers.)

When I got home I reconnected the system, noting that the Bryston banana plugs now fitted properly into the binding posts. Once it had warmed up I set about doing some listening.

I was glad to hear the OB1s reaching deep when playing Fanfare for the Common Man. I chose Chopin Nocturnes and Ludovico Einaudi to test the higher frequencies. No problems at all. If anything I believe that the system may actually sound very slightly better sonically than it did before. It could just be my mind playing tricks on me (after listening through the TV speakers for over a week), but the pre-amp is noticeably cooler to the touch than before, perhaps that could have something to do with it.

When at PMC I asked Andy about upgrading the power supply to the MPS-2. His view was that it is a worthwhile and cost-effective way of upgrading the system. I will have to negotiate skilfully with the bank manager (my wife) for this upgrade. (I’ve found relentless pressure and unabated discussion quite effective in my procurement plans so far, but will keep you posted as to the efficacy this time).

In the mean time, I have a great system to listen to and the good after-sales service one gets from Bryston/PMC as manufacturers is good for customer loyalty and makes me more inclined to buy from them again.