A new way of listening to music by combining speakers

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-Richard-

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A bit less than a year ago I was beguiled by DMason's adventures into the world of
Open Baffles using the Visaton B200's. The experience of living with OB's has
fundamentally changed my listening habits. For example I now hear "the box"
in almost every box speaker I have the occasion to listen to...no matter how well
implemented the design strategy is. The cabinet performs, to a certain measure,
in the shaping of the sound. And that has a distinctive sonic signature.

I am aware that every sound reproducing strategy is a compromise of sorts.
And I have no bone to pick here. Rather, I just want to share with everyone
the results of an unexpected accident of sorts that has me quite amazed
and is once again changing my perspective on what is possible in reproduced
sound.

I ordered a pair of Super 3 Bipoles from Louis Chochos of Omega Speakers
a few months ago and waited patiently for them to arrive. In the meantime I worked
with Darrel Hawthorne's Silver Iris Coaxial's in OB which taught me several interesting
things about how large drivers operate in the OB environment.

The Bipoles arrived a week or so ago and I have begun to burn them in. A frustrating
business working with the Fostex drivers...they are stiff and require a lengthy burn-in
in order to loosen up and relax...in the meantime, unless one favors the leave-it-on-and-
forget-it-for-a-week business of burn-in, which is impossible in my mobile home, one
must tolerate the distortions of the burn-in ordeal. In the case of the Bipoles which have
one 4.5 inch driver on the front and one on the back, one must endure a lack of
mid-range presence which very slowly begins to fill.

I admit that it got on my nerves. So I positioned the B200 OB's behind the Bipole
monitors and let them fill in the mid-range sound. And this experience is what
I want to share with everyone.

I used Roger Modjeski's new 245.1 45 tube SET amp to drive both pairs of speakers
in parallel...the sound was both fascinating and a bit over-ripe, depending on what
kind of music I played.

I recently auditioned the relatively inexpensive AV123 Rocket ULW-10 subwoofer
which has an interesting strategy for correcting the worst peak that occurs in
room interactions. It has a built-in EQ that is self-correcting...based on tones that
it emits that is interpreted by a microphone one set's in the listening position...
it works flawlessly and the change was very noticeable after the digital correction.

In order to use one sub both channels need to be summed. That required 3 "Y"
split cables and a single subwoofer cable which I purchased for the audition.

After listening to the sub with the B200's for a few days it was clear that it was
not entirely musical. It filled in the sound alright to perhaps 29 Hz...but so what?
the sound I heard added nothing to the performance except sound.

As an experiment I decided to use 2 of the split "Y" cables in order to dedicate each
pair of speakers, the Bipoles and the B200's, with their own amplifiers in order
to fine tune the gain of each pair of speakers...to hear if that might not create
a more favorable synergy...

I used my integrated Single Ended Pentod tube amp which has tone controls
for the B200's and let the Bipoles continue to be driven by the RM245.1...

The Bipole's have noticeable bass that seems to extend to the 40 Hz region
using large ports that "tune" the lower frequencies...the B200's actually produce
their own potential lower frequencies into the 40 Hz region when I apply the
bass tone control of my SEP...even Roger Modjeski was startled to hear how
resolving the bass tone control was on the B200's...which without this addition
begins to veer south dramatically after perhaps 200 Hz...

I turned on both amps and tuned them until both speakers merged imperceptibly...
and that is when the magic happened...

It is difficult to describe the effect that these 2 speakers have on each other...but
the synergy is incredible...I now hear a layering of instruments that I never knew
existed on my CD's...and voices have a new level of intimacy...the important thing
here is the TONE...it is all about the tone...THERE IS A SATURATION OF TONE
THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED IN MY EXPERIENCE...the musical portrait is both
transparent and dense at the same time...every instrument is distinct and yet
woven into the musical warp and weave with extraordinary coherency...

Each speaker seems to do things that the other does not...and they meet on that
ground of what seems like mutual interdependency...for example the somewhat
diffused presentation of the B200's is firmed up by the Bipoles, which produce
upper frequency information as if you are listening to diamond tweeters that cost
$10,000. This combination has given me an entirely new look at what is possible
in the way of music reproduction...the combination of both speakers transcends
what each of them can do alone...

What I wanted to share with everyone is to continue to experiment with what you
have...in the spirit of exploration...in a very real sense it means taking matters
into your own hands...and putting things together that may break a few rules here
and there...an iconoclastic approach in audio can pay huge dividends
in sonic pleasure...as I am finding out...to be continued...

Warm Regards -Richard-

skrivis

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Re: A new way of listening to music by combining speakers
« Reply #1 on: 7 Apr 2006, 06:49 pm »
Quote from: -Richard-
A bit less than a year ago I was beguiled by DMason's adventures into the world of
Open Baffles using the Visaton B200's. The experience of living with OB's has
fundamentally changed my listening habits. For example I now hear "the box"
in almost every box speaker I have the occasion to listen to...no matter how well
implemented the design strategy is. The cabinet performs, to a certain measure,
in the shaping of the sound. And that has a distinctive sonic signature.

I am aware that every sound repr ...


I'm a bit confused as to how these are setup. Are you getting only reflected sound from the B200s, or are they actually located behind and to the side of the bipoles?

Zero

A new way of listening to music by combining speakers
« Reply #2 on: 7 Apr 2006, 06:59 pm »
Richard,

Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences, thoughts, and impressions. For the sake of knowing where you are coming from;  What is your musical preference, or shall I say, what is your system designed to do given your tastes.. ?

-Richard-

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« Reply #3 on: 7 Apr 2006, 07:50 pm »
Hi skrivis,

The B200's are located on a 3/4 inch maple plywood board measuring 26" by 42"...
the drivers are 7" from the top and one side with both OB's in a mirror configuration...
the Bipoles are 2 feet from the back wall and the OB's panels start from behind
and angle to the outside so that the drivers appear to almost cross in
front of the listening position...

It is important to note that the Bipoles act like dipole OB speakers in that the
back wave merges with the front wave to effectively "extend" the perception
of harmonic saturation of the music...so far in their burn-in cycle they are not quite
as transparent as the B200's but that may help to create the synergy I am hearing...

Further experimentation with placement is needed here...

Hi A6M-ZERO,

Deborah and I listen to a great many different musical forms...mostly small ensemble
music: chamber classical works, Jazz, vocal ensembles, Blues, world music and
so on...Deb loves the woman blues singers from the 40's to the present...a genre that
she introduced me to and which I now love as much as she does...however we also
listen to large scale forms like Baroque orchestral and modern orchestral music...
but rarely to large 19th century orchestral music...

Great rock and roll must be heard on this new arrangement of speakers to be
believed...as soon as it comes on we get up and start dancing...the powerful
throbbing undercurrent of rock and roll sends dynamic shock waves through our
listening room that enter the nervous system like jack hammers...

The Silver Iris Coaxial's revealed a new potential for harmonic saturation...
in absolute terms it lacks the kind of upper frequency detail and "presence"
that I crave in favor of a kind of 1950's super ripe midrange and extended bass...
at least for an OB application...but working with it helped to prepare me
to understand what I am now hearing from the Bipoles and the B200's...

No speaker I have ever heard sounds like this...it is a TONE PRODUCING
MACHINE...media is no longer a part of the equation...CD's sound like a totally
new media...no limitations...nothing digital about it...intensely saturated sound
that is profoundly musical and deeply emotionally satisfying...

Warm Regards -Richard-

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A new way of listening to music by combining speakers
« Reply #4 on: 7 Apr 2006, 08:16 pm »
I would love to see some photos of the setup, if possible.

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« Reply #5 on: 8 Apr 2006, 04:57 am »
Hi Tweaker,

I don't have a digital camera and I don't know how to post images to this forum...

I suppose that qualifies me for still being a member of the Pleistocene age...

Sorry I can't accommodate you...perhaps this year I can purchase a digital
camera and learn how to post images...

Warm Regards -Richard-

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« Reply #6 on: 8 Apr 2006, 05:09 am »
Quote from: -Richard-
Hi Tweaker,

I don't have a digital camera and I don't know how to post images to this forum...

I suppose that qualifies me for still being a member of the Pleistocene age...

Sorry I can't accommodate you...perhaps this year I can purchase a digital
camera and learn how to post images...

Warm Regards -Richard-
Hello Richard....Maybe you have a friend, or someone that could do it ?? I'm sure quiet a few are interested in seeing the setup....would be great if you could....thanks !!! :D
    Happy listening !!!!![/list:u]
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