Leaving tomorrow for Montreal / new product

bunky · « **Reply #40 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 10:58 am »

Quote from: AlexG

Wooo...

Just an absolute incredible response on this new product...below are a couple of pixes of the new preamp (sorry for the resolution) for real! I promised Klaus no detailed pixes will come until after his formal introduction and debut next Friday in Montreal...!! I will post a couple more then...

Alex

Hey Alex, well today is friday and we Odysseyphiles deserve to see some high resolution photos of the new tube preamplifier. please get on the horn with Klaus and see if you can get his blessing to show off the new preamp in all of its glory to the Odyssey faithful.thanks....WCW III

AlexG · « **Reply #41 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 02:40 pm »

The all new Odyssey Audio "Candela" preamp as being introduced this morning by Mr. Klaus at the Montreal Show!

tigzstudio · « **Reply #42 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 05:12 pm »

Alex have you heard the "Candela" yet?!?!?!?

looks nice, how bout a whooole body shot??!?!? =)

F-100 · « **Reply #43 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 05:27 pm »

My guess is Klaus probably use the same Tempest case.

AlexG, can you give us some initial impression?

Sonny · « **Reply #44 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 05:56 pm »

Is there an upgrade or trade in policy with this?
Would love to try it out and perhaps upgrade to the tube extreme from the regular solid state extreme.
Klaus, any thoughts?

AlexG · « **Reply #45 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 07:30 pm »

Due to the very short time available prior to Klaus leaving for Montreal, he has not seen the few pictures I took! He agreed for me to post only a couple showing the front glass and tubes, and I did...I will not post more at this point until he gets the chance to see them all, and decide for himself which ones should be posted...I think is fair to the man!

In a nutshell…

I have heard the Candela (proto) extensively through a pair of Stratos Mono Extremes SE's (of course) driving a pair of B&W 803's (series II) and in one word the synergy with these amps is to die for!! The Candela in my opinion sounds extremely open (wide frequency response) providing a tremendous soundstage. It has all the midrange of tubes (good designs) and more without being overly euphonic, with a more neutral presentation. Bottom end has plenty of punch and definition to the lowest registers, and the highs…oh well…I have never heard the 803’s tweeters sound this good!! Sources included a Sony 9000ES used as a transport/Benchmark DAC combination for CD’s, the 9000ES DSD processing by itself for SACD and of course analog heaven…via a VPI AIRES2/Origin Live arm, Kiseki Blue (VDH rettiped), Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood, Cary and my own phono stages.

As for any options available, Klaus is the man to talk.

Thanks,
Alex

Eduardo AAVM · « **Reply #46 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 07:35 pm »

Quote from: AlexG

I have heard the Candela (proto) extensively through a pair of Stratos Mono Extremes SE's (of course)

Of course, I want a pair of those also...

BikeWNC · « **Reply #47 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 07:37 pm »

What is a Stratos Mono Extreme SE? vs the Mono Extreme?

Andy

Eduardo AAVM · « **Reply #48 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 07:43 pm »

AlexG · « **Reply #49 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 07:47 pm »

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What is a Stratos Mono Extreme SE? vs the Mono Extreme?

Ops.....you need to talk to the man!

tfroncek · « **Reply #50 on:** 24 Mar 2006, 08:14 pm »

Candela - great name.

lazydays · « **Reply #51 on:** 25 Mar 2006, 06:29 pm »

Quote from: AlexG

Due to the very short time available prior to Klaus leaving for Montreal, he has not seen the few pictures I took! He agreed for me to post only a couple showing the front glass and tubes, and I did...I will not post more at this point until he gets the chance to see them all, and decide for himself which ones should be posted...I think is fair to the man!

In a nutshell…

I have heard the Candela (proto) extensively through a pair of Stratos Mono Extremes SE's (of course) driving a pair of B&W 803's (s ...

just a short with a few questions as I'm real new here:
I have to extreme mono blocks still in the boxes that were boght to drive some Maggies that never appeared. They have 120K power supply, and have XLR inputs as well as RCAs. I've been shopping for a solid state preamp for what seems like forever. The problem is that I've become attuned to the Conrad Johnson sound, if you know what that means! But have not picked up a good tube preamp to go with these because of two reasons:
* I don't really like to leave stuff on all the time
* and I've always been told that the amps I have are not all that tube
friendly in the start up (usually a loud boom or a pop thru the speakers)
When you listened to this amp / preamp combo did you hear this? I've looking at a Tempest extreme, but actually like tube preamps better than the solid state preamps.
hope this makes some sense
gary

bunky · « **Reply #52 on:** 25 Mar 2006, 10:46 pm »

Quote from: lazydays

just a short with a few questions as I'm real new here:
I have to extreme mono blocks still in the boxes that were boght to drive some Maggies that never appeared. They have 120K power supply, and have XLR inputs as well as RCAs. I've been shopping for a solid state preamp for what seems like forever. The problem is that I've become attuned to the Conrad Johnson sound, if you know what that means! But have not picked up a good tube preamp to go with these because of two reasons:
* I don't really like to l ...

Welcome to the Audiocircles,Odyssey power amplifiers not tube friendly? Odyssey/ Symphonic Line power Amplifiers are a match made in heaven when using a tube preamplifier in the audio chain. i used a solid state Tempest which i liked alot, then i noticed a large number of mono extreme owners were using tubed preamps. i bought a used Anthem Pre 1L and i was Hooked as far as using a tube preamp. i wanted a remote control so i bought a Balanced Audio Technology VK 3i which i am running with my pair of mono extremes and the Loreleis. i have never experienced a pop or any other unpleasant sound while using either tube preamp with the Odyssey amplifiers!now it is only a matter of time before i purchase a Odyssey Candela preamp because i know for a fact that it was voiced using the same power amps that i am using right now, around here Synergy is the name of the game and Klaus and Alex know all about Synergy. thanks....WCW III

Randy · « **Reply #53 on:** 26 Mar 2006, 03:19 am »

My mono extremes do not make a peep when I shut off my tube preamp. Yes, this old tube preamp (Croft - 1988) seems to synergize very well with the Odysseys. My modern SS preamp (not a Tempest) is up for sale. I should have gotten the Croft out of the closet three years ago.

tfroncek · « **Reply #54 on:** 26 Mar 2006, 03:58 am »

I leave the Stratos on 24/7/365. I have an Anthem Pre2L tube pre which will "pop" the speakers if I just turn it off. I always select the htbp (called surround sound bypass by Anthem) and then power off. Never a problem.

Power outage, another story, always get the pop.

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #55 on:** 26 Mar 2006, 05:12 am »

Quote from: tfroncek

Candela - great name.

Info link on the word....Candela....

http://www.electro-optical.com/whitepapers/candela.htm[/list:u]

lazydays · « **Reply #56 on:** 26 Mar 2006, 11:06 pm »

Quote from: bunky

Welcome to the Audiocircles,Odyssey power amplifiers not tube friendly? Odyssey/ Symphonic Line power Amplifiers are a match made in heaven when using a tube preamplifier in the audio chain. i used a solid state Tempest which i liked alot, then i noticed a large number of mono extreme owners were using tubed preamps. i bought a used Anthem Pre 1L and i was Hooked as far as using a tube preamp. i wanted a remote control so i bought a Balanced Audio Technology VK 3i which i am running with my pair of mono ...

well right now I'm using a Quicksilver linestage with an older Sonic Frontiers 40 watt amp driving Meadowlark Kestrel Hotrods. The amp is a nice amp, but in need of retubing and replacement of all the bias resistors.
This can become somewhat of a time consuming job by the time your "burn in" the tubes and finally get a good bias number. I'd have already made the switch in amps, but there has always been one other nagging thing in the back of my mind. The speakers. These are very effiecent units that I bought to listen to acoustic jazz thru. (might add they do it very well). Still I'm not afraid of hooking those big monoblocs up to them, but more or less the surge at start up. Hope all of you see where I'm comming from.
The rest of my system is similar in most ways to what I see you are using. I use a Jolida 100A CD player, and a Marantz 8260 sacd player. But the love affair is in my turn table. I use an Acoustic Signature Final Tool with a Wright WP100 phono stage. The one oddball item is a next to new Nakamichi R202 tape deck. I like the sound of this system with the exception that I'd like six to eight Hz lower bass, and I hate subs.
One thing I'd really like on the new preamp is XLR outputs. I'm one of those guys who thinks that an XLR cables works much better with longer runs (as in the use of mono blocs). My two amps have XLR inputs, and of course want to make good use of them.
It's nice to hear from all of you, and will be chiming in from time to time.
gary

AlexG · « **Reply #57 on:** 27 Mar 2006, 03:10 pm »

Gary,

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I don't really like to leave stuff on all the time
and I've always been told that the amps I have are not all that tube
friendly in the start up (usually a loud boom or a pop thru the speakers)

What you are referring as a pop and/or boom is most likely what is known as a “thump” (low frequency noise) occurred most often when certain power amps are either turned on or off! This is most frequently a design issue and as long as the “thump” is light in nature is of no concern. If this noise comes from your CJ tube power amp, you will always have this noise no matter what preamp you have up front! This also indicates that the design does not have a delayed circuit at the outputs triggered by a relay.

Of far more critical concern is the presence for a short time of high DC voltage at the preamp outputs (tube designs) when they are turned on or off, and at the same time is connected to a solid-state power amp. This results in a catastrophic failure that in most cases shorts and burns the amps final stages, and in the case of “complementary cascade” designs (most current solid state amps) fatal…and very expensive!

All Odyssey Audio amps have a delayed protection circuit that mutes the outputs at turn on also triggers instantly at turn off.

The Candela preamp by its design nature has a very soft start and will not produce a loud “thump” at turn on/off.

A very good rule no matter what the designs that is followed by many fellow audiophiles (myself included), is to turn the amps last when you start a session and turn them off first when you finish.

Welcome to the Circles.

Alex

Doug_B · « **Reply #58 on:** 27 Mar 2006, 05:48 pm »

Quote from: AlexG

A very good rule no matter what the designs that is followed by many fellow audiophiles (myself included), is to turn the amps last when you start a session and turn them off first when you finish.

Agreed, when you're turning them on and off per session. Klaus has recommended keeping the Stratos on all the time, which I do. I have noticed that when my stereo Stratos was off for a day, it took a few days of being on to get back to its always-on steady-state sound.

My Tempest, which I do not leave on, makes a midrange whining/buzzing sound lasting < 1 second a few seconds after it is turned on (of course, when hooked up to my always on Stratos).

Doug

Sonny · « **Reply #59 on:** 27 Mar 2006, 06:01 pm »

Quote from: Doug_B

Agreed, when you're turning them on and off per session. Klaus has recommended keeping the Stratos on all the time, which I do. I have noticed that when my stereo Stratos was off for a day, it took a few days of being on to get back to its always-on steady-state sound.

My Tempest, which I do not leave on, makes a midrange whining/buzzing sound lasting < 1 second a few seconds after it is turned on (of course, when hooked up to my always on Stratos).

Doug

Doug, so, you leave the amps on but not the pre? That is strange, wouldn't that make the speakers get amplified noise? Are we supposed to turn the pre then the amps on then off with the amps then pre? But if you leave the amps on without the pre, that can't be good, can it, for the speakers?