Comparison of McCormack DNA500 to DNA225

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Re: McCormack DNA 0.5
« Reply #20 on: 16 Feb 2006, 10:13 pm »
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Very interesting observation George. I have a self modded .5 that I like to say is a "near Rev A" mod. I talked with Steve and incorporated everything except some board routing changes that he does proiprietarily. Then I spoke with Bob Crump and voiced my amp along the lines of what he did for the JC1. I think Steve's platinum mods take it all even further with great results, no doubt. Having heard what his mods can transform these amps into, and having seen his comment that he can't make the 500 any better ...


I thought about moding my 0.5 several years ago having traded emails with Steve McCormack regarding details of the mod plus pricing.  I honestly couldn't quite believe that the mods would make that much of a difference in an amp that was already about as good as anything I had ever heard.  The cost, as I recall, was about $800 and now, having heard the praise from folks here, wish I had done it.  I wouldn't hesitate to let Steve M. mod my amp or other devices for that matter because of his scrupulous credentials but I must admit to being more than a little leary of some of guys in that discipline.  There seem to be a plethora of very expensive mods available on just about anything electronic and one has to wonder if they are all value-adding.  What are some of the really trustworthy mods for CD/SACD players out there that aren't outrageously expensive?

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Comparison of McCormack DNA500 to DNA225
« Reply #21 on: 17 Feb 2006, 03:00 am »
'What are some of the really trustworthy mods for CD/SACD players out there that aren't outrageously expensive?'

Reference Audio Mods  may be a place to start
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/

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Comparison of McCormack DNA500 to DNA225
« Reply #22 on: 17 Feb 2006, 04:21 pm »
well I've always gone the DIY mod route. Learn all you can, dig in and start soldering. There's a lot of rewards in doing things that way. Since you are an EE I would think this would be a reasonable alternative to the mod shops.

I would begin in the obvious places:
 - power supply
 - signal path
 - power routing to the digital circuitry
 - grounding
 - isolation and vibration dampening

Enjoy,
Bob

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Comparison of McCormack DNA500 to DNA225
« Reply #23 on: 17 Feb 2006, 05:40 pm »
Randy,

I talked with Steve on a similar issue just last week. (He is out of town this week, so if you have called or emailed and haven't heard from him, that's why.)  I currently own a DNA-125 Platinum revision and discussed the merits of monoblock platinum 125's against the 500.  He told me the monblock platinum 125's would sound a little better, and I believe he stressed a little better *with capable-enough electronics on the front end.*  That told me, whether correctly or not, that the 500 is the way to go unless you are building a truly world-class, second-to-none system.  The 500 would also be right at home in such a system, but would be outperformed by the monoblock platinum 125's or 225's.  But we're talking platinum revisions here, which are $2400 each for the 125's and $2700 each for the 225's.

By implication, I would assume the 500 would outperform stock 225 monoblocks (well, stock other than the $350 Steve charges to convert the 125/225 to monoblocks) to some degree, again depending on the capabilities of your front end.

Steve has also posted (on a'gon, I think) that the 500 is a completely different amplifier than the 125 and 225.  All the parts inside are superior to the 125/225, it is a zero-feedback, fully differential amp (as others here have noted) and, unlike the 125/225, which were built to a price point, was designed to be a world-class reference amplifier without the strict cost constraints of the 125/225.  I'm sure Steve would perform mods to the 500 if he were asked.  I don't know for sure, but I suspect the 500 doesn't have the carbon-siltech wire, or the MusiCoat treatment, but probably has all the other upgrades.  These upgrades - and I'm guessing here based on what Steve has written about these two upgrades on his website- would "sweeten" the sound a bit without necessarily adding transparency.  As a result, alot of folks would likely try to match a tube pre or a sweeter sounding front end or pre with the 500 to achieve a similar effect.

Here's another review of the 500, by the way, which is the second review I've seen that lauds the 500 as the best SS amplifier in existence.  It tops the Clayton Audio M100 monblocks, and that's high praise, indeed:   http://www.iar-80.com/page5.html

ES347, as an aside, I owned a DNA-0.5 Rev. A before the 125 Platinum.  I loved that .5, but it did have a "sonic signature."  The Virginia-series amps (125/225/500) are much more neutrual and transparent, and do not impart any sound of their own that I can hear (in Platinum form, at least.)  However, if you're captivated by the .5, I think you'll be even happier with revisions to that amp, and would be less happy with the new Virginia series.  I don't believe you would find the Virginia-series amps to be an "upgrade" to your ears necessarily.  I would say you have likely found your perfect amp - congratulations!! :)

I've read more times than I can count that lower powered amps are "sweeter" than high powered ones.  Although I believe this was propogated by tube lovers, I have read SS guys write such things.  I haven't heard the 500, but I've heard the 125 and 225 platinums and they sound equally transparent, fast, and whatever else you'd like to compare aside from power.  So here's a thought for you: perhaps you should look at your amp power - since you have it already - like hard drive space.  Sure, you don't come close to filling that 300 gig drive now, but what about a few years when you're in a new house with a bigger audio room, and driving speakers that need plenty of watts to truly sing?  

Bottom line, Randy, is that you're going to take a bit of a hit in performance if you go down to the 225.  While still the best performer in its class, there's only one champion of all SS amps, and you own it.  I would think it a mistake to sell it unless you believe it outclasses the rest of your system and you will never upgrade the other parts to match the class of the 500.

FWIW,
Howard

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« Reply #24 on: 17 Feb 2006, 06:47 pm »
Nice post Howard.

It is pretty much consistent with what I have previously posted.

Ultimately I went with a stock DNA-500 since I bought it used for roughly $4k.  As you pointed out, the Platinum mods alone would be almost $2k more than what I paid for the DNA-500 on a pair of stock 225's.

Steve now does have a small mod package for the DNA-500 (please contact Steve for all details as it isn't yet on his website) that won't radically alter the amp, but will in Steve's words:

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"...provide a nice boost in resolution and clarity, a beautifully extended and delicate top end, and improved expression of low-level dynamics."


I have no doubt that the upgrade will be all that Steve says...

George

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Comparison of McCormack DNA500 to DNA225
« Reply #25 on: 17 Feb 2006, 09:10 pm »
Howard,

Thanks for the input.  I appreciate your comments about the 0.5 and what you say makes sense.  I really like the 0.5's sweet (sweet is the best way to describe it) sound and if the A? mod would tend to further sweeten things, that's probably what I should and may do.  The 0.5 in conjunction with the LS3 preamp, at least to this ancient ears, makes a very pleasing combination.  The 150W drives my Logans to high llistening levels and then some so power reserve isn't an issue.  Right now the front end is driving me crazy.  I have great CD playability with my Arcam FMJ but would love to upgrade my SACD player.  We shall see.

thx. again.

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Comparison of McCormack DNA500 to DNA225
« Reply #26 on: 18 Feb 2006, 08:24 pm »
ES,

No sooner do I mention how rarely modded McCormacks come up for sale one comes up!  

There's a DNA-0.5 Revision B at audiogon for $900.  The revision A's have gone for $1400-$1500 historically, so I'd say he's got a fair price on it.  I wouldn't expect it to last more than a few days on a'gon.

Howard