Felicia at R.E. Designs Part II

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Dan Banquer

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Felicia at R.E. Designs Part II
« on: 4 Feb 2006, 03:17 pm »
After initial bench testing I decided to put the Felicia in the system powering various line level components. I monitored the output of the Felicia with a scope and dvm. I observed on the scope a fair amount of spiking around the zero crossing points of the output sine wave. I did not see this when I plugged in a 60 watt lamp to the Felicia on the bench. This must be from the rectifier diodes turning on and off in the line level units connected to the Felicia. I suspected that caps 5, 6,&7 at the very output of the Felicia  might be exacerbating this problem, so I took them out and the spiking did reduce. I am still showing a fair amount of distortion in the output, but this is low frequency distortion and even the marginal power supplies that are often placed in consumer equipment are decent enough to crush this into near oblivion. With my FM tuner, and old, reworked NAD 1240 that I use as phono pre amp,  my G&D transport and a turntable all on at the same time, I observed an output voltage of 110 to 111 volts rms. The AC line coming in was a nominal 117 to 118 volts rms. The voltage drop of approximately 7 to 8 volts does not appear to effect the line level equipment I am using. In the past I have tested for regulation on this type of equipment and most of this equipment will stay in regulation down to 100 to 105 volts rms. I should add that most of us can easily design a line level power supply that will stay in regulation to 95 volts rms.
Usually I get more line noise during the day and the Felicia did a superb job filtering that out and I did note that the FM Tuner was a bit quieter. I tried the Felicia hooked to the line level equipment I have built from scratch and got a bit of an impedance mismatch due to AC line level filters that I use at the AC input, but no reduction in noise that I could hear.
Paul and myself have had some long discussions on this issue and I suspect that good power supply design and grounding play an important role in how well a power supply rejects low frequecy noise. I should note that environment can also play significant role here. I am plagued by more HF artifacts than LF artifacts on the AC line. Paul tells me that apartment buildings can have plenty of both and I believe him. I reside at the moment in a 3 decker in suburbia.
I am leaving the Felicia in the my system for powering/filtering of my transport, tuner, phono pre amp and turtable. I do not consider the poor regulation of the Felicia to be of any real significance for my environment and application, and I never have my transport, tuner, and phono amp all on at the same time.
Thank you Paul; you have come with an excelllent unit for cheap money that really works, and for those people that know me I generally don't hand out praise very often.
Great job, and good design Paul;
           d.b.

Gordy

Felicia at R.E. Designs Part II
« Reply #1 on: 4 Feb 2006, 05:02 pm »
Thank you Dan and congratulations Paul!  It's very reassuring to hear the results from a pro's scrutiny and I really appreciate the time and effort you've put into assessing the Felicia.  

I notice you're keeping the Felicia in your system... presumably this means you've built your own and you weren't testing "The Sea Shanty" or another of Paul's units?  If that's so, were you were using the A41 transformers as well?  

All the best...

Dan Banquer

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« Reply #2 on: 4 Feb 2006, 05:14 pm »
Hi Gordy;
     Yes I am using the  A41 transformers that Paul used for his design. I also installed a 1.5 amp fuse in the "hot" side of the line and put the whole thing in an NEMA steel case to reduce the stray magnetic field from inducing itself on any equipment or line cords that come near it. The case was about 60.00 from Mouser. At the ouput of the Felicia there is a plain old power strip to plug everything in.
BTW, Paul is as much of a "pro" as I am. He is far more knowledgeable in a number of areas than I probably will ever be. He certainly knows a lot more when it comes to transformers than I do.
                     d.b.

Gordy

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« Reply #3 on: 4 Feb 2006, 05:47 pm »
Thanks Dan... I used 1.0a fuses on both sides... the new fangled ones that come in a white bag at Lowes, 8 for $3.99, made in Taiwan I do believe!

"BTW, Paul is as much of a "pro" as I am. He is far more knowledgeable in a number of areas than I probably will ever be."  Point taken!!!  What I meant was... you have the way cool analytical toys that he lacks... and Nancy is probably bound and determined to keep it that way...

Dan Banquer

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« Reply #4 on: 4 Feb 2006, 05:58 pm »
Well Gordy we will just have to harass Paul to get one of those new scope probes that plug into your laptop, and with the right software he can not only have as much fun as the rest of us, bur I'll bet he can manage not  to piss off the wife.
               d.b.

Occam

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« Reply #5 on: 5 Feb 2006, 11:44 pm »
Well Dan,

As every other male in the US is watching the SuperBowl, I've just scored a a scope probe specifically for looking at both common and transverse mode noise on powerlines off of Ebay. Now all I need is a good oscilloscope and signal gererator. SWMBO will be so pleased....

Indeed, Dan and I have been discussing Felicia for some time, and I'm quite pleased with what I consider her outstanding transverse (differential) mode noise rejection. Common mode noise rejection isn't that difficult to achieve. He has even visited my lair hollographically from his Fortress of Objectivity based in a secret location in Swampscott. It made me feel like one of the big boys. :D

I certainly understand that my use of those bypass caps on the output looks painfully like a rf tank circuit from an ARRL handbook, but comercial filters simply don't report behavior at less than 10khz. And if Felicia were  measured into that typical 50ohm load, those ressonant peaks wouln't be there.
Unbeknowst to Dan, Nancy (SWMBO) surreptitiously took a picture of Dan's visit -