New NHT XD Speakers... can't use Bryston?

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BachToRock

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New NHT XD Speakers... can't use Bryston?
« on: 14 Dec 2005, 12:02 am »
http://www.nhtxd.com/

I have Bryston Amps all around my house on different systems, but am very interested in getting this new NHT XD Speaker System that uses Power Physics Digital Amplifiers so I would be forced to go non-Bryston in one system...
I read the article in the Bryston newsletter trashing Digital amps for Full Range systems, but Power Physics apparently has a patented method for eliminating distortion in such a design.

Can anybody here give an educated opinion regarding the quality of Power Physics designs...

http://www.powerphysics.com/

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« Reply #1 on: 14 Dec 2005, 12:42 am »
Bryston did not "trash' digital amplifiers - in fact the head of Phillips digital stated what the problems were and Dan Agnanos from Sony who is a Class A speaker designer also pointed out the issues with digital amplifiers.

This is really not a 'pissing contest' this is seeing the plus and minus of a technology and using the one that best suits the design goals involved.

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« Reply #2 on: 14 Dec 2005, 01:13 am »
The "XD's" are somewhat of a light'ish sounding speaker with the soundstage starting between the speakers and extending well behind them.  Tonality leans toward the sweet side of things.  Nothing "hard" or "cold" about the sound.  Spacial cues and instrument locations are outstanding.  But my impression is that they lack a certain body and palpability that is available with other speaker/amp combinations.  That "reach out and touch me" perception is a bit lacking in comparison to some other speakers.  But, this does not mean that I didn't like them.  Overall, the sound is relatively excellent.

My advice is to audition this speaker in your home before laying down hard earned dollars.   I have also listened to the Revel F52 at the same store, with the XD's there, and preferred the Revels due to their their seemingly better sound projection and immediacy.   If the recording media put a vocalist in your lap then that's exactly where the vocalist sounded - in your lap.  I felt the Revels did a better job in that "reach out and touch me" venue.  Music seemed more real and exciting.  The XD's were more forgiving and slightly soft on top in comparison.  

Whether the switching amplifier in the XD caused any of the perceived softness I don't know.  Otherwise I would say it is an excellent sounding amplifier.  Much better than the amps in most active monitor speakers that I have listened to.  Maybe not the Meyer HD1 though.    

But to each their own - some will prefer the XD, some will prefer the Revels.  Most dealers nowdays will allow you to audition them in your home.  Don't pass up the opportunity.   It's a lot of money and you need to be sure that they are your cup of tea.

BachToRock

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« Reply #3 on: 14 Dec 2005, 01:21 pm »
James sorry for using the terminology "trashing", but I think his opening statement "they all suck" in regards to digital amplifiers for anything but low frequency reproduction could be viewed as pretty negative.

I am currently using the NHT 3.3's in 2 systems both powered with 4BSST's which I upgraded from a 4B-ST and a Levinson 23.5... both marked a noticeable improvement in sound... I feel as though the amp plays a huge factor in reproduction and that the new SST series are the BEST!

The technology of the XD makes great sense in refining the weakest link in the reproduction chain... I wish they allowed the consumer the choice of amplification because I would DEFINITELY choose Bryston, but maybe they made the decision otherwise because the Power Physics amps are actually very good?

I have heard that you really need to purchase a system with dual subwoofer modules to get the huge soundstage of a larger speaker... they have a different set of crossover filters(higher) between the smallish midrange and the woofers since localization is not an issue with dual subs.  This apparenly fills in the upper bass with more authority and lets the Seas mid really excel at what it does best...

I would still appreciate more opinions in regards to the Digital Amps used in this system...

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« Reply #4 on: 17 Dec 2005, 01:50 pm »
Hi BackToRock,

No offense taken here I just wanted to point out that the Bryston Newsletters where designed to provide information and discusssion but hopefully not be to biased. The 'bashing' is coming from experts outside of Bryston and I just wanted to make that clear.

We have looked at a number of Digital (by the way there is no such thing as a Digital amp - they are Class D - and ultimately an analog exercise) technologies and so far some are OK and some are very disappointing. That's assuming of course that waveform linearity (accuracy of input vs output) is what your after.

We have been pressured by a number of dealers to come out with a 7 channel power amplifier but at a much lower price. We could do this with digital (Class D) amps and switching power supplies.

So should we?


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« Reply #5 on: 19 Dec 2005, 12:56 pm »
It seems as though the general opinion is that the switching distortion in Class D is very hard to eliminate... but, apparently Power Physics has found a solution and patented it.
One thing is for sure... if Bryston ventures down that pathway, they wouldn't relese a comprimised design.
What are the engineers/designers thoughts?
I would rather see a Bryston source with top notch analog outs so we don't need to use an external processor!