Exact Audio Copy Question....

lonewolfny42 · « **on:** 9 Nov 2005, 07:23 pm »

I need some help...thanks

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Chris[/list:u]

JoshK · « **Reply #1 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 07:33 pm »

I think you want the non-dao, but I forget, maybe I can dig up the configuration tutorial on EAC. It was posted in this circle a while back. *snip* Some of this stuff gets nitty gritty with specifics on cdrom types and such. It is probably overkill to get you started.

I think you should work with the installer not the zip. The zip is for people who don't want to run on online installation, but requires a bit more from the user.

JoshK · « **Reply #2 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 07:37 pm »

Here is the link to a setup tutorial but it is quite detailed, I'd suggest taking it on faith and following blindly until you are comfortable working with EAC.

flac for eac

ctviggen · « **Reply #3 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 07:38 pm »

Chris,

I'd download the installer (which will automatically install). I'm not sure what DAO is, but it appears to be a technique for burning CDs. See:

http://members.tripod.com/~rimeswel/cdrguide.html

(Search for "dao") I can't tell if it's this or what Josh says.

DeadFish · « **Reply #4 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 07:46 pm »

DAO means 'Disk-at-0nce' and what that does is record the whole disk as a file ( I think) rather than one track at a time.
That way the spaces between and before the tracks are part of the capture.
This is as opposed to 'track-at-once' which we are typically more familiar with.
You can do a Google of "Disk-at-once" and get info to your heart's content.

Good luck!
DeadFish

ted_b · « **Reply #5 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 08:25 pm »

Just download the installer. EAC v.095 beta 2 is clean. The installer and configurator will walk you through it and tell you how good your cd-rom is for error correction, etc.

When you rip music off of your cd's you can rip them by track or as a whole cd (called "copy image and create cue sheet"). That's what I do (whole album, like AbbeyRoad.wav or AbbeyRoad.flac, and its accompanying AbbeyRoad.cue) . I have a semi-tutorial somewhere here. I'll look for it. I rip to wav first (so I can quickly import a perfect copy to iTunes too; it converts it to 224 aac which is great fro iTunes/iPod) then convert to flac for storage savings (I convert many albums at a time, kind a like a batch process, then delete the wav files) and use foobar for direct flac playback. All titles/artist names, etc come along nicely. No typing and coding.

Here'a good EAC tutorial:
http://www.rivarilu.demon.nl/eac/total.htm#cd2mp3-en.htm

This has my instructions on how to make foobar a great player, with nice gui. My foobar screen is in my gallery.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=16633.msg145451#145451&highlight=foobar#145451

Get a decent cheap bit-perfect soundcard like the $25 Chaintech and you'll LOVE pc playback quality; get a great soundcard like Lynx and it will outperform all but the most esoteric digital transports in the world.

mizzuno · « **Reply #6 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 09:47 pm »

DAO tends to be more precise, especially if your recorder and software support DAO RAW 96, it is the most precise and taxing to a cd writer. There is a whole world to discover in cd writing from writing subchannel data, indices, TOC's, etc. You should always use DAO to write cd's.

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #7 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 11:02 pm »

Thanks for all the info guys !!

I've downloaded EAC V0.95 beta 3 (including CDRDAO package). Then I used Bob's link .... http://members.tripod.com/~rimeswel/cdrguide.html ...to check off the boxes.[/list:u]

Does this sound about right ? I have not downloaded the FLAC software yet. Thanks !![/list:u]

jermmd · « **Reply #8 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 11:14 pm »

45 minutes seems like a long time to burn a single CD. That means it will take 75 hours to burn 100 CDs.

I would recommend downloading Foobar to play your flac files.

ted_b · « **Reply #9 on:** 9 Nov 2005, 11:45 pm »

The ripping processing time is almost entirely dependent on two main issues:
1) the error detection method/accuracy; should be "c" and "secure" for best rips, but will potentially take longer because you are asking it to reread and reread until the log fills, then go to the next bit)
2) the physical shape of the cd. Cd's with many scratches can take a long time; brand new cd's can take 5 minutes. I use discdoctor on a cd if it looks like its hanging up on a certain area (you can see the error correction log fill up with red dots). I ripped a borrowed beat-to-death cd one time overnight; took almost 6 hrs but it ripped, and the copy is perfect. Of course if you have many of those you're screwed.

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #10 on:** 10 Nov 2005, 12:08 am »

I used a brand new cd, unopened.... John Hiatt - "Greatest Hits - A & M Years '87-'94". I do keep all my cd's in excellent shape.

ted_b · « **Reply #11 on:** 10 Nov 2005, 12:25 am »

Wow, something's not right then. A new cd, with no error detection really going on, should spin up and rip at 12x on average or so, meaning about 5 minutes. Did the report show any errors?

Edit: Unopened? Ohhhhhh, you need to open it!

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #12 on:** 10 Nov 2005, 12:29 am »

Quote from: ted_b

Wow, something's not right then. A new cd, with no error detection really going on, should spin up and rip at 12x on average or so, meaning about 5 minutes. Did the report show any errors?

No errors were listed...from the display when it was ripping...showed at 2X speed....maybe I should of done something else ? I don't know......

zybar · « **Reply #13 on:** 10 Nov 2005, 12:36 am »

Quote from: ted_b

The ripping processing time is almost entirely dependent on two main issues:
1) the error detection method/accuracy; should be "c" and "secure" for best rips, but will potentially take longer because you are asking it to reread and reread until the log fills, then go to the next bit)
2) the physical shape of the cd. Cd's with many scratches can take a long time; brand new cd's can take 5 minutes. I use discdoctor on a cd if it looks like its hanging up on a certain area (you can see the error correction ...

You forgot cd burner properties and cpu.

I know that with my odl PIII the fastest I can get is around 10x (it is usually around 6-7x). This same burner in another computer can go much faster.

I have also seen times where I need to recycle EAC to get speeds above 1-2x.

George

ted_b · « **Reply #14 on:** 10 Nov 2005, 01:24 am »

Quote from: zybar

You forgot cd burner properties and cpu.

I know that with my odl PIII the fastest I can get is around 10x (it is usually around 6-7x). This same burner in another computer can go much faster.

I have also seen times where I need to recycle EAC to get speeds above 1-2x.

George

Very true. But 2x is pretty damn slow for a new cd. I've never experienced needing to reboot EAC or a 2x speed, but give it a try. OTOH, Good cd burners can be got for $25 (Liteon, etc.).

jp1 · « **Reply #15 on:** 15 Nov 2005, 04:03 pm »

Wondering...is Itunes just as good as EAC for ripping lossless format?
what is the benefit of EAC vs. Itunes or even windows media player?

mizzuno · « **Reply #16 on:** 15 Nov 2005, 04:36 pm »

Quote from: zybar

You forgot cd burner properties and cpu.

I know that with my odl PIII the fastest I can get is around 10x (it is usually around 6-7x). This same burner in another computer can go much faster.

I have also seen times where I need to recycle EAC to get speeds above 1-2x.

George

Zybar is correct, addionally, the bus speed is a determining factor. Older PIII machines have buses which cannot handle the throughput. Athlon 64 machines for example use the hypertransport bus which has a huge amount of bandwidth compared to older buses, and has excellent latency characteristics. You have to remember that its not only the cd that is crossing that bus. There is other I/O that is constantly taking place, especially if you're multitasking.

Mike