Burned CD's vs Regular and CDP's vs PC CDP's

skrivis · « **Reply #120 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:01 pm »

Quote from: clarkjohnsen

Again with the misrepresentations! What is it with this guy?
For twenty-five years I've been a VMPS owner. I have not one, not
two, but three pairs in my house right now. At the top, FF-1s.
Geez Luiz!

No, what was not my cup of tea (and I was not going to get
into this, but after being called a charlatan... well...) was the
thin digital sound provided by Sony and Bryston electronics, a
distressing sound that was unameliorated by any of the usual fixes.
(I attribute that ...

So, not only can't Scott hear properly, but his system is all wrong. I bet he'll be wearing ashes and sackcloth tonight...

What's this "thin digital sound" anyway?

geoffkait · « **Reply #121 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:05 pm »

It's true that Machina Dynamica's explanation might not be the same as the manufacturer's. Depends how you interpret the manufacturer's explanation and how you interpret Machina Dynamica's. Which explanation can I get you to sign up to? GK

skrivis · « **Reply #122 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:17 pm »

Quote from: geoffkait

It's true that Machina Dynamica's explanation might not be the same as the manufacturer's. Depends how you interpret the manufacturer's explanation and how you interpret Machina Dynamica's. Which explanation can I get you to sign up to? GK

Neither one seems very likely.

Do you consider them to be equally valid? (Or of equal worth anyway, since their validity is questionable.)

sts9fan · « **Reply #123 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:17 pm »

I have found this thread amazingly entertaining!!

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You had your chance, sir. The Chip was in your hand to try. You
passed on it. I confess I was astonished at the evident lack of
curiosity.

Let me ask you this? What would you do if i was to hand you a small stone-like object aroung the size of a marble. Then I told you that its a magic
rock and if you swallow it you will be able to fly!! What would you do? huh??

I am sure he felt like you handed him a "magic" rock.

So when is this showdown happening? Need any extra ears?

Marbles · « **Reply #124 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:33 pm »

Quote from: sts9fan

Let me ask you this? What would you do if i was to hand you a small stone-like object aroung the size of a marble. Then I told you that its a magic
rock and if you swallow it you will be able to fly!! What would you do? huh??

I am sure he felt like you handed him a "magic" rock.

So when is this showdown happening? Need any extra ears?

I'd say you eat it first....

That's such a bad analogy for many reasons.

I still don't understand why Scott didn't listen to it when he had the chance.
What would have been the harm? It would have only taken a small amount of time on his part...it takes what, 2-3 seconds for it to work?

So you listen to a track, or even part of a track, do the chip thing for 2 seconds and play the track again.

We did warn Clark that Scott is CLOSED MINDED though, so it's no surprise to me or anyone who's read Scotts posts that he wouldn't even listen to it.

sts9fan · « **Reply #125 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:40 pm »

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That's such a bad analogy for many reasons.

That is a bad argument for many reasons.

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I'd say you eat it first....

oh I did but you can only fly when nobody is looking.

Marbles · « **Reply #126 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:43 pm »

Quote from: sts9fan

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That's such a bad analogy for many reasons.

That is a bad argument for many reasons.

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I'd say you eat it first....

oh I did but you can only fly when nobody is looking.

Why is try it in front of me a bad arguement?

I'll see VERY quickly if it works and if there are side effects.

He had it in his hand, why not try it?

Please tell me why my arguement is bad.

ctviggen · « **Reply #127 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:45 pm »

That really wouldn't be a valid test. To perform a valid (or quasi-valid) test, you'd have to have two CDPs hooked up and running copies of the same disk. The CDPs would have to have the exact same interconnects. You'd have to put the chip on one and not on the other, then switch back and forth. Any other test really is of limited use -- short term memory isn't that good. I've had a hard time determining differences between DACs even when able to switch back and forth between two of them. When I played one for a song, then switched to the other for a song, I couldn't tell the difference.

Perhaps Scott isn't closed minded and, instead, likes a scientific explanation for this?

warnerwh · « **Reply #128 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:49 pm »

That's enough, everybody back to work! This is like a dog chasing it's tail.

Marbles · « **Reply #129 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:50 pm »

Maybe...maybe he could have done a preliminary test to see if "he thought" he detected a difference. If none, then no need to go farther.

If he did hear something then he could do a more thorough test.

To not do anything but say F'ck it, it CAN'T work when he had an opportunity to try it is closed minded IMO.

Now, if he had to order it and pay for postage, or return postage, or go to ANY trouble besides a cursery listen, I could understand...Heck, I'm not going to listen to it, but if someone brought one over for me to try, I would try it.

sts9fan · « **Reply #130 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:51 pm »

my point is if someone hands me something costing $60 claiming it breaks the laws of physics I would not even be curious.

woodsyi · « **Reply #131 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 08:57 pm »

Quote from: warnerwh

That's enough, everybody back to work! This is like a dog chasing it's tail.

But I like dog and pony shows!

Marbles · « **Reply #132 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:01 pm »

Quote from: sts9fan

my point is if someone hands me something costing $60 claiming it breaks the laws of physics I would not even be curious.

And neither was Scott...and the lack of curiousity I would define as closed minded, so we are in agreement on that.

sts9fan · « **Reply #133 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:04 pm »

you wanna buy a magic rock??

Marbles · « **Reply #134 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:05 pm »

Sure, if you bring it over and I see it works.

sts9fan · « **Reply #135 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:11 pm »

well i offer a 30 day money back garuntee. Of course you will have to pay shipping. I accept paypal with no extra cost to you!!

sts9fan · « **Reply #136 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:16 pm »

Sorry we don't do house calls

skrivis · « **Reply #137 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:16 pm »

Quote from: Marbles

Quote from: sts9fan
my point is if someone hands me something costing $60 claiming it breaks the laws of physics I would not even be curious.

And neither was Scott...and the lack of curiousity I would define as closed minded, so we are in agreement on that.

I think I would try it, so if Clark or Geoff wants to send me one...

geoffkait · « **Reply #138 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:18 pm »

"Do you consider them to be equally valid?"

I consider the Machina Dynamica explanation the overriding one.

GK (Machina Dynamica)

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Marbles · « **Reply #139 on:** 14 Nov 2005, 09:19 pm »

Quote from: Marbles

Now, if he had to order it and pay for postage, or return postage, or go to ANY trouble besides a cursery listen, I could understand...Heck, I'm not going to listen to it, but if someone brought one over for me to try, I would try it.

sts9fan

You need to work on your reading comprehension.