anyone tempted to try this moded amp based on t-amp?

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tigzstudio

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hey guys,

been reading the forums for quite a long time and have been seriously considering a moded t-amp as my amp.  

I stumbled onto this site and was wondering if anyone has tried it or is tempted to give it a try?

http://www.octopusamps.com/

http://www.octopusamps.com/New-amp.htm

my friend shot the owner an email with some questions on the amp, and it sounds quite promising.

an ideas on it?

Jon L

anyone tempted to try this moded amp based on t-amp?
« Reply #1 on: 30 Sep 2005, 04:10 am »
*Shrug*  another tripath amp.  A few things bother me about the design:

1.  Why use electrolytic caps for input coupling.  Even if it's blackgates, I would much prefer a quality film cap.  Suggestion:  I would pay extra for some VH teflon caps or Relcap TFT or Sonicaps.

2.  Cheap Panasonic caps on the board.  Suggestion:  go the whole 9 yard and get Blackgate standard or better.

3.  For PS caps, I would prefer to see something like Rubycon Z series instead.

4.  Noble pot.  Either get rid of vol control or use those Ebay/Hong Kong ladder attentuators at least.  Maybe even the TKD carbon film pots.

5.  There's no specifics/pictures of the PS.  It just mentions battery vs. linear PS option.

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anyone tempted to try this moded amp based on t-amp?
« Reply #2 on: 30 Sep 2005, 09:41 am »
isnt this michael mardis' site? i went to look for the old amp case he had (which was insanely cool looking) and found the octopus amp.  That case was cool on so many levels, but i didn't know anything about the specs.  Does anybody make caes for the teac unit?

panomaniac

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« Reply #3 on: 30 Sep 2005, 10:42 am »
Hello everyone,
 I'm the guy who builds the Octopus Amps. I read this forum and post from time to time.

Jon L poses some very good questions, so good in fact that I think he might be setting me up.   Thanks Jon. :)

For each of his questions I have a good a thorough answer, but I don't know if it is appropriate for me to post here. As I am the builder/seller of this amp I don't want to seem that I have come here to promote my product.

Perhaps I should ask the moderators if it is alright for me to post the answers here.

There is no reason to *shrug* the Tripath amps, they are amazingly good. They look like one of the best things to come along in the audio world in decades.  A properly implemented design is a marvel to hear.

Jon L

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« Reply #4 on: 30 Sep 2005, 10:09 pm »
Quote from: panomaniac
Hello everyone,
 I'm the guy who builds the Octopus Amps. I read this forum and post from time to time.

Jon L poses some very good questions, so good in fact that I think he might be setting me up.   Thanks Jon. :)

For each of his questions I have a good a thorough answer, but I don't know if it is appropriate for me to post here. As I am the builder/seller of this amp I don't want to seem that I have come here to promote my product.

Perhaps I should ask the moderators if it is alright for me to p ...


Hey, this is great.  I only shrugged b/c I've seen what seems like an uncontrollable orgy of new tripath amps this year.  BTW, I love tripath amps, and the reason I posed those questions is precisely b/c I'm looking for a replacement tripath amp ever since my poor Sonic Impact suffered an untimely death.  I need one to power my AKG K1000 headphones..

Those things I mentioned are what I would like to have in my next tripath amp.  You do have a nice case there, but being a broke-a@@ audiofool, I would gladly give up nice casework for better parts and lower price.  

Seriously, I think teflon caps would be overkill and too costly, so a regular Sonicap or similar would be just fine, especially since I don't think multiple blackgates in "super E" config will be necessarily cheaper.

As far as Panasonic Caps, I actually like them just fine for what they are.  So let's forget about bunch of blackgates on the board.  Rubycon Z series, though, are not very expensive, and I can see using them for PS caps.

Those ladder attenuators from Ebay would be nice, but why add to the cost when you can just skip the volume control, which is what most people prefer with 'other' tripath amps anyway.

I personally prefer the sound of huge regulated linear PS over battery power, and I already have one..

Give us a plain, ugly, cheap case with thoughfully executed board/parts, and I'll sign up for one.  Oh, did I mention we would all appreciate a nice price...

JohnR

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« Reply #5 on: 30 Sep 2005, 11:46 pm »
Quote from: panomaniac
For each of his questions I have a good a thorough answer, but I don't know if it is appropriate for me to post here. As I am the builder/seller of this amp I don't want to seem that I have come here to promote my product.


I think it's fine, I'm sure there will be lots of interest in your answers.

:)

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tigzstudio

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anyone tempted to try this moded amp based on t-amp?
« Reply #6 on: 1 Oct 2005, 01:54 am »
I know I would like to hear the answers!   :D

yo2tup

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« Reply #7 on: 1 Oct 2005, 02:35 am »
Quote from: tigzstudio
I know I would like to hear the answers!   :D


me as well  :mrgreen:

ohenry

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« Reply #8 on: 1 Oct 2005, 03:20 am »
Quote from: Jon L
*Shrug*  another tripath amp.  A few things bother me about the design:

1.  Why use electrolytic caps for input coupling.  Even if it's blackgates, I would much prefer a quality film cap.  Suggestion:  I would pay extra for some VH teflon caps or Relcap TFT or Sonicaps.

2.  Cheap Panasonic caps on the board.  Suggestion:  go the whole 9 yard and get Blackgate standard or better.

3.  For PS caps, I would prefer to see something like Rubycon Z series instead.

4.  Noble pot.  Either get rid of vol  ...


I'm no expert, but the Panny FM's are pretty decent compact caps for on board applications.  And the nobel pot... it offers high value and he could do a lot worse.  I wonder if Michael is using it in a shunted circuit?

BTW, nice looking chassis on the Octopus, you should still keep the little coffee maker-observatories around as well as they have the cool factor.

Michael has done quite a bit of work with these little boards and my guess is that he indeed has thought through his choice of parts and has measurements and experiences to guide him.  I must admit that I'm puzzled by the input caps.  :?   I'd love to hear about their performance.

panomaniac

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« Reply #9 on: 1 Oct 2005, 01:11 pm »
OK, here goes,
 Jon L brought up some very good points so let me address them:

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1.  Why use electrolytic caps for input coupling.  Even if it's blackgates, I would much prefer a quality film cap.


It's a question of cost and space. The Blackgates are very good sounding caps, and they are small and not too expensive. When I was doing Sonic Impact mods, the size and cost of the best input caps could both be double that of the amp!  I chose the Blackgate E-caps for the good performance versus size and price. They are also race car red. :)   Some listeners prefer the Blackgates to metalized caps. Film-foil is the best way to go sonically, and I use them often in upgrades. They are not cheap*.

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2.  Cheap Panasonic caps on the board.  Suggestion:  go the whole 9 yard and get Blackgate standard or better.


Why disrespect the Panasonics? They are inexpensive, but not "cheap." I am very pleased with them in power supplies. The Tripath is a switching amp that kicks a lot of RF noise back into the power supply rails.
No other cap I've tried is as effective as the Panasonic FM series at reducing this RF noise. The only caps that come close are Blackgate. I've tried many different types and brands. Electrolytics, ceramics, metalized foil, film-foil, tantalum, polyester, etc.

The results are easy to see on the oscilloscope. The Panasonic FM caps reduce switching noise better than any other cap I've tested. That's why I like them.  Placed at strategic points on the board, they reduce power supply noise by as much as 75%.

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3.  For PS caps, I would prefer to see something like Rubycon Z series instead.


See above.

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4. Noble pot. Either get rid of vol control or use those Ebay/Hong Kong ladder attentuators at least. Maybe even the TKD carbon film pots.


The volume control is there for those who wish to use the amp sans preamp. There is a version without pot.  As for the Noble, it is of very nice quality and tracks well. No pot can match the definition of a good stepped attenuator, but at what cost? Adding a stepped attenuator would add at least $150 to the cost of the amp. That jumps the price by about 35% just for that one item.

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5. There's no specifics/pictures of the PS. It just mentions battery vs. linear PS option.


The PSU is nothing fancy or high tech. Just a good solid 3pin 3A regulator in a low noise configuration.  The amp will never draw much more than 1.5 amps before it runs into clipping - So 100% headroom.
What makes this power supply so good is the massive amount of high quality capacitance used - Nichicon "Gold Tune" designed for audio power supplies.

I love massive power supplies; they give an amp a real sense of power and stability.  A strong power supply will provide great dynamics, bass slam, good driver control and a stable stereo image.  All good things in an amp.

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Give us a plain, ugly, cheap case with thoughtfully executed board/parts, and I'll sign up for one.


That is something I just can not do.  There is no way I'm going to spend the enormous amount of time, money and energy it takes to make one of these amps and put it in an ugly plastic box.  That is for the DIY crowd. I've build stuff like that for myself, but not to sell.  The case and knobs are expensive, the knobs cost about as much as the case. But if you want an amp that sounds this good, why not have it look and feel good too? That’s part of the enjoyment, no? Anyhow, a cheaper case wouldn't knock that much off the price; you still have to pay for all the labor and R&D.

So the choices I've made are all for a reason, a very good reason to me. I hope that this long post has helped to shed some light on those choices. There are other choices and design factor that I did not go into, but all are thought through and tested.

Hope that helps.

In the future I may build an "OctoLux" amp with no holds barred, price no object. But who the heck would buy one?

* I would like to use the AudioCap Thetas on the inputs, but they are almost impossible to get at the moment. My source tells me that the military is buying them all. :!:

yo2tup

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« Reply #10 on: 10 Oct 2005, 02:36 am »
hm no comments?

tigzstudio

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anyone tempted to try this moded amp based on t-amp?
« Reply #11 on: 10 Oct 2005, 04:19 am »
has anyone purchased and received their unit yet?

andrewsouthern

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« Reply #12 on: 21 Apr 2006, 03:52 pm »
i have an amp from michael on it's way here to ny. looking forward to it, he definately knows his stuff.