The RA8 and a new announcement (see measurements too)

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JoshK

The RA8 and a new announcement (see measurements too)
« Reply #20 on: 26 Aug 2005, 08:39 pm »
Actually half the distance is 14khz, but his picture is about 62%.  I made a mistake when I did the math in my head, which is why I apologized for brow beating him.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #21 on: 26 Aug 2005, 09:40 pm »
Guys this stuff is so good, I just have to share it with you.

When I design a set of speakers, I don't just look at an on axis response to dial it all in. I look at off axis responses in the vertical and horizontal plane.

This can bring to light problems that are not seen in an on axis response. Such problems can be baffle reflections, and driver cancellation from driver offset changes as listening or measuring points move.

This speaker not only has no vertical or horizontal off axis problems but is extremely good on both axis.

Below is the horizontal off axis responses taken at one meter.



The Red line is on axis.

The Orange line is 10 degrees off axis. Hardly any change except at 20kHz.

The Yellow line is 20 degrees off axis. Still nearly dead flat!

The Grey line is 30 degrees off axis. It is still within a +/-1.75db range!

The Black line is 40 degrees off axis. From 250Hz and up it's still within +/-2.5db.

Man the off axis response of that ribbon is killer! A 3/4" diameter dome tweeter can't even do that.

Now most people tend to think that the vertical response from ribbons is poor, and for many longer ribbons this is true, but this one isn't very long. What I really like is the smooth output level across a wide range, and this speaker has it in spades.

See off axis vertical response below.



The mic was pulled back to 60", and this is why we see the sensitivity across the board falling off.

The first line, the Red one, was taken on tweeter axis with the mic at 39" from the floor.

The second one, the Orange one, was taken with the mic moved up to 43". There is hardly any change.

The third one, the Yellow one, was taken at 47". It still looks great and shows that the drivers are acoustically in phase very well. From the back of my room and standing (I am 5' 10" tall) this brings the mic to just below ear level, but close. If I were to step back another foot or two then this would be at ear level.

The last one was taken with a mic height of 51", the Grey line. This is above ear level to me and would be even to a really tall person. We are still looking at a +/-2.5db range, and the highs did not fall out of it in the top end. In fact it appears that the peak in the top may be a little hot straight on but off axis it is as much a blessing than a curse.

A speaker with an on axis and an off axis that is this smooth is rare. The total in room response of this speaker will look very good. I like this speaker the more time I spend with it.  :mrgreen:

RAW

The RA8 and a new announcement (see measurements too)
« Reply #22 on: 26 Aug 2005, 10:28 pm »




Ok I have tested just a few ribbons.

-Top left Our OEM G3series ribbon (shortest out of all the G3 series)
-Top right G3
-Mounted in the board G3i-130 new ribbon
-Left is the big and I mean big G1
-Bottom row left G2
-Bottom row middle RA104.5
-Bottom row right G2Si

Testing was done by Dan at Adire mounted all drivers 80" to the center of a IEC baffle.

Testing them from 0-45  Vertical then the G2 and the RA104.5 from 0-45 Horizontal.

This is to show those out there that we have tested a few to say the least.
 :lol:
And we are happy with the results of our RA104.5

trekker

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« Reply #23 on: 26 Aug 2005, 11:29 pm »
WOW  :o   Those graphs are incredible!  A picture is worth a thousand words.

 :?:   What would the benefit of going to a full line source(LS6 or LS9) as oppose to the RA8? Of course not taking into account low end extension. The RA8 sems to do an incredible job already.

Thanks,

Arnold

markC

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« Reply #24 on: 28 Aug 2005, 02:28 pm »
How much power can these babies handle? Do you think they would be too large for a 12'w x 21'5"L x 7'8"h room?

Danny Richie

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« Reply #25 on: 28 Aug 2005, 04:12 pm »
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How much power can these babies handle?


With this many woofers handling the bottom end they should be able to handle loads of power. The limitation might be the Ribbon, but crossed steeply at 3kHz will still allow quite a bit of power handling.

At 95db sensitivity they can hit some really serious SPL before getting close to power handling concerns.

I heard them this week end with Dodd Audio 120 watt mono-blocks, and a time or two we really laid the juice to them to get a feel for the output capabilities. It was a blast!

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Do you think they would be too large for a 12'w x 21'5"L x 7'8"h room?


With a -3db down point in the mid 40's it shouldn't be too hard to integrate them into smaller sized rooms. I don't see your room size being a problem at all.

gprro

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« Reply #26 on: 29 Aug 2005, 03:07 am »
Will the crossover for the ribbon be as high when used with the A/V series.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #27 on: 29 Aug 2005, 02:27 pm »
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Will the crossover for the ribbon be as high when used with the A/V series.


Good question. I really wouldn't want to push the crossover point to less than 2,500Hz using the ribbons. Ill work with the drivers and see where it comes out. My guess is above 2,500Hz but less than 3kHz.

gprro

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« Reply #28 on: 30 Aug 2005, 06:54 am »
Cool, there are a lot of interesting kits coming I guess. Can't wait.

ultraman

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Are thes ribbons really just "drop-in" for older a
« Reply #29 on: 30 Aug 2005, 08:40 pm »
Can I really just order a pair of the ribbons, and swap them directly for the tweeters in my first generation a/v-3s and rock-on?  How about my a/v-1s?
Is there any crossover changes that need to be made at all?
This sounds almost too good to be true...

Danny Richie

The RA8 and a new announcement (see measurements too)
« Reply #30 on: 30 Aug 2005, 09:37 pm »
Adding the ribbons will require crossover changes in each model.