Adding choke to existing design?

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SET Man

Adding choke to existing design?
« on: 25 Aug 2005, 03:11 am »
Hi all,

   So I have a simple Audio Note tubed pre-amp for coulple of years now. I've upgarded many parts. Yes, I'm very happy with the sound of the pre now.  :D

   But! as a DIYer and tweaker my hands get all itchy wanting to thinker with it again  :lol:

   Right now I'm thinking of adding a choke in the high voltage power supply. MY pre use 4 12AX7 and 2 12AU7, the tranformer out is 290 -290 V. So, it is possible to add a choke in the high V supply after the rectifier? What H and mAh choke should I use? And will the resistence affect the output V?

  Oh! and what if I change the tranformer to a larger one with hight amp, will this improve the sound?

   Any help or comment will be greatly apriciated.

Thanks,
Buddy :thumb:

RickB

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Adding choke to existing design?
« Reply #1 on: 29 Aug 2005, 01:40 am »
I don't have a schematic of an Audio Note pre around, but usually the HV filtering in many units consists of an input cap, followed by a resistor, then another cap...so, find out the resistor value, figure out how many milliamps of current you need, and get a choke that closely matches the resistor's value in resistance with sufficient current capability, and has many Henries as you can get...

Also, check out the Audio Note Kits forum for folks who have some real info on the Audio Note kits....

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/audionotekits/bbs.html

I'd go there and ask your questions, especially if you feel like modifying the unit....you'll get more correct info there than probably anywhere else.

JoshK

Adding choke to existing design?
« Reply #2 on: 29 Aug 2005, 02:13 am »
You should take a look at Yeo's site, (www.diyparadise.com).  His simple 5687 preamp (which I built) has an option to add a choke in the high voltage PS or not.  I decided to use the chokes.  His schematics should give you an idea of where they should go and what value you should use.

By the way, the simple 5687 is an Audio Note clone (M7 I think).

SET Man

Adding choke to existing design?
« Reply #3 on: 1 Sep 2005, 12:12 am »
Hi,

  Thanks guys! RickB, so is that mean that I could replace the resistor with the choke with that same resistence? Or I just put it right after the rectifier?

   JoshK, thanks for the link. It full of great info for DIYer like me :D According to that site the choke will restrict dynamic somewhat, but smooth out the sound... hmmm I don't know if I should do this now. By the way... stop by sometime to listen to my SET + Single Driver speaker.   :mrgreen:

take care,
Buddy :thumb:

RickB

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Adding choke to existing design?
« Reply #4 on: 1 Sep 2005, 04:10 am »
Well....

Most power supplies out there are CRC filtered units....a cap input unit...

Less common is the LC or choke input...

Now, to make it real simple, if you stick a choke in front of the first cap in a cap input power supply, it does become a choke input supply...BUT, your voltages will be all screwed up...why?  Well that first cap charges up with the rectified, but unsmoothed, voltage from your rectifier(s) and it has the effect of hopping up the voltage a bit...it's late and I can't remember the figure now....

But, you change and stick a choke in the input and you don't get that voltage boost of that first cap and the voltage output, no matter what quantity of capacitance you have in the following RC or LC stage, will not be as high as the cap input filter...the action of the inductor prevents this...

So, this throws off all the voltages and operating points of the tubes in the unit...

And, yeah, you can replace a power supply resistor with a choke, and since it is a cap input filter, you shouldn't lose much (if any) of the dynamics...what yeo was talking about in that article was choke input vs. cap input....just make sure that it has sufficient current capacity for your unit...

Building a choke input power supply is something that takes a bit of doing...we don't make use of a lot of the knowledge of these power supplies from the pre-WWII area today...plus, there aren't the manufacturers around today that supply chokes for different needs...like swinging chokes...a choke usually used in the input position of a LC supply to help stabilize voltages....i.e., a swinging choke has more inductace at low current flow rates and less at high current flows....there are also ways to "tune" subsequent chokes with a capacitor across them to make them more effective at smoothing ripple...that lack of swinging chokes and more info on implementing them may be one of the things that leads to Yeo's assessment that choke supplies seem slower....

But, he really says it all when he says: Okay, my approach to good sounding, not too expensive power supply circuitry is this. I like lots of chokes and very little capacitance. When you don't have lots of capacitance, you really need lots of chokes. Unfortunately, this makes your amp really heavy. Chokes are cheaper than quality capacitors.[/b]

Anyhow, these are just the late night rambling thoughts of someone who has forgotten more than they know!

Good luck and have fun...