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pugs

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« on: 11 Aug 2005, 03:19 am »
I'm thinking about upgrading my Odyssey monos to extremes.  Does the extreme upgrade just add more oomph or does it refine and smooth out the sound any?  With my monos I get some edgeiness and was hoping the extremes would help.

byteme

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« Reply #1 on: 11 Aug 2005, 03:59 pm »
Personally, I went from a Stratos Stereo Extreme to the Extreme monos so things may be different going the direction you're going.  However, in addition to the extra horsepower I think the level of control over the entire spectrum improved.  Bass was better controlled and everything else was cleaner, using your words, more refined.  It was very worthwhile for me.

BTW:  I also went to the new red circuit board from the older board as well.

F-100

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« Reply #2 on: 11 Aug 2005, 05:48 pm »
In my system, the upgrade brought more detail, warm, and dynamic to the sound. Overall, I'm very happy with the upgrade.

bunky

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« Reply #3 on: 11 Aug 2005, 08:19 pm »
the extreme monos are smoother and more powerful yet offer more control .more speed.detail and dynamics. i think the perfect analogy is like a iron fist in a velvet glove.get the upgrade you wont regret it!

KarlDL

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« Reply #4 on: 12 Aug 2005, 02:21 am »
I took the same path as Byteme and had the same reaction.  John151 and I did a "vertical" listening comparison of Stratos Plus, Stereo Extreme, and Mono Extreme several months back and found the latter to have considerably more heft and slam, with midrange detail advantage audible but less pronounced (not that the others are slackers, mind you).

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« Reply #5 on: 12 Aug 2005, 02:34 am »
For the price, I guess it's worth a try.  The NHT 2.5i speakers I have now are kind of bright.  The Odyssey/NHT combination can sound a little sharp at times.  I'll be getting Salk HT3's in a few months and I hope the Salk/Odyssey combination will work out.

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« Reply #6 on: 12 Aug 2005, 04:39 am »
What I learned from the auditioning the amps at Karl's was that the more demanding the music, the louder you play the music, or the harder the speakers are to drive (i.e. less efficient), the more the upgrade pays off.  Karl plays more complicated music than I typically do, and the difference was more significant on his CDs than on the ones I brought over.  However,  on my maggies, which are very hard to drive,  the bass is tighter and stronger after the extreme upgrade (older Stereo Stratos, green boards), even on my less demanding music.  

As for "smoother", I think some passages are a bit smoother - especially if they are on complicated tracks.  I have used a couple of tracks that can be hard on the ears to test for this, such as some from Stacey Kent.   I think the very high notes are a tad smoother and more refined, with a tad more detail, especially at elevated volume levels.  However, this is very subjective, and it is not a major difference, so don't expect to be "blown away" by a difference in smoothness.

From my limited experience, all of the little upgrades start to work together synergestically to take the sound to the next level.  I think this is what lures so many of us into this hobby/affliction.  I was just noticing tonight how much better my system sounds after adding the extreme upgrade, Groneberg ICs, and the Tempest.  I think the Tempest and the Groneberg cables are getting more detail to the Stratos, which creates more need for the extreme upgrade.

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« Reply #7 on: 12 Aug 2005, 09:45 pm »
Pugs,

You stated "For the price, I guess it's worth a try".  I have a pair of the standard monos as well as a pair of the Extreme monos.  For a main system, the upgrade comes with my highest recommendation.  It is one of the truly great bargains in audio.

For quite some time I had a pair of Dynaudio Contour 1.8mk11s.  When I bought the Extremes, for the first time ever I thought that maybe I had electronics that could do more than what the speakers were capable of.  I upgraded the speakers to the Dynaudio Confidence C1s.  I was correct.  The Extremes are IMO so fine that I recently upgraded to the Dynaudio Confidence C2s.  I have a lot more in the upgrade in the speakers than I do in the amps.  I have no plans/or need to upgrade the amps.

I did have Klaus do an extreme upgrade to a Tempest and I am upgrading cartridges (if Klaus will ever get the damn thing).  My point is that the 500 or so $$$'s that Klaus charges is a huge bang for the buck, IMO a no-brainer if you want to get more out of your system.  Plus Klaus will take them back if you don't like them (has anyone ever sent them back? :lol: ).

Later.

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« Reply #8 on: 13 Aug 2005, 02:27 am »
I originally purchased a Stratos w/cap upgrade about 2 years ago. I traded that, and purchased a pair of Extreme Monos from Klaus almost three months ago. I enjoyed the Stratos w/cap upgrade very much; however, I am continuing to find that the Extreme Monos are wonderfully impressive amps that do so much, so well. My limited time with the Extremes (I found that about 400 hours of burn-in was necessary) helps me personally echo the positive sentiments found in this thread.

Regarding PCs, I find the VH Audio cryoed Flavor 4 works nicely with the Extremes.

My only, but very limited regret, is that I did not purchase the Extremes initially (the up side is that my Extremes have the red boards; if I had purchased them two years ago, that would not have been the case). In my system, with my gear, the Extreme Monos positively kick a**!  :D  As always, Klaus Bunge is great to deal with, but that's another thread...

Also, a little shout out to Musky Don...

TjMV3

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« Reply #9 on: 13 Aug 2005, 06:22 pm »
But no one has found the Extreme Monos to be bright, edgy or harsh, right?

From what I have always read and heard the Mono Extremes have always been described as smooth,  with a slight warmth;  able to convey the emotion of the music very well.  Is that what you guys find with your Mono Extremes?

rosconey

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« Reply #10 on: 13 Aug 2005, 07:21 pm »
mono exctremes are smooth as a babies bottom and draw you into the music like a great amp should

djbnh

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« Reply #11 on: 13 Aug 2005, 07:36 pm »
Quote from: TjMV3
But no one has found the Extreme Monos to be bright, edgy or harsh, right?

From what I have always read and heard the Mono Extremes have always been described as smooth,  with a slight warmth;  able to convey the emotion of the music very well.  Is that what you guys find with your Mono Extremes?


All comments are related to what I've experienced, in my system. 1) No edginess/harshness. 2) I affirm the Extreme's ability re: conveyance of emotion. My analog system, though modest (note I also use a Tempest preamp), particularly projects this in spades. 3) The seemingly absolute control the Extreme's exhibit over complex/orchestral passages, bass slam/attack/decay, treble frequency reproduction, etc. is highly commendable. I've never experienced clipping with the Extremes, much less heard them break into any sweat or strain; no matter what you throw at them, they just seem to keep doing their job in the background, allowing for one to sit back unimpeded and simply enjoy the music. 4) I'm very, very appreciative of the Extreme's relatively modest price when compared to what they offer, how Odyssey's price/performance ratios deliver so much to the consumer, and that Odyssey's owner is committed to making excellence affordable and customer service exemplary.

YMMV.

bunky

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« Reply #12 on: 14 Aug 2005, 12:20 am »
Quote from: TjMV3
But no one has found the Extreme Monos to be bright, edgy or harsh, right?

From what I have always read and heard the Mono Extremes have always been described as smooth,  with a slight warmth;  able to convey the emotion of the music very well.  Is that what you guys find with your Mono Extremes?
i own a pair of paradigm reference studio 100 v3 loudspeakers and originaly had them paired with a 200 wpc rotel rb 1080 amplifier and my system sounded compressed and hot on the top end .as soon as i hooked them up to a pair of khartago monos i learned what a good set of speakers they really are and as good as the little monos were the mono extremes are alot better. system synergy is not hocus pocus, smoke and mirrors or bullshit! it is for real !paradigms have a reputation for being bright. but in my current system i can assure you they are not!

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« Reply #13 on: 14 Aug 2005, 12:35 am »
No harshness - at least none that matters - here.  Perhaps the last 1% isn't quite as precisely detailed or smooth as one might achieve at ten times the price.  You only notice when doing hyper-critical detail listening with near-perfect source & speakers.  Ordinarily, they're wonderful.

However, in the interest of full disclosure, my speakers have higher-than-average efficiency, so I'm not getting anywhere close to clipping thresholds and crud that might be experienced with low-efficiency speakers at high volume levels.

TjMV3

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« Reply #14 on: 16 Aug 2005, 04:32 am »
Thanks for the responses.  


Question.

Would a tubed Pre Amp with these specs,  be able to match up or drive the Mono Extremes?

 Frequency Response: 10Hz - 150kHz
• THD: 0.015%
• Output: 2V
• Signal to Noise Ration: 93dB
• Input Impedance: 100K Ohm
• Output Impedance: 1.5K Ohm
• Total Gain: 20dB
• Power Consumption: 13Watt
• One 6X4, Two 12AU7 vacuum tubes
• All-tube linestage with three inputs

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« Reply #15 on: 16 Aug 2005, 05:49 am »
Quote from: TjMV3
Thanks for the responses.  


Question.

Would a tubed Pre Amp with these specs,  be able to match up or drive the Mono Extremes?

 Frequency Response: 10Hz - 150kHz
• THD: 0.015%
• Output: 2V
• Signal to Noise Ration: 93dB
• Input Impedance: 100K Ohm
• Output Impedance: 1.5K Ohm
• Total Gain: 20dB
• Power Consumption: 13Watt
• One 6X4, Two 12AU7 vacuum tubes
• All-tube linestage with three inputs
Spec's look like those of the MiniMax...?

pugs

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« Reply #16 on: 16 Aug 2005, 05:51 am »
I sent my 3 monos to Klaus today for the upgrade.  It's going to be a long wait until I get my Salk Veracities.  At least the extremes should be broken in by then.

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« Reply #17 on: 16 Aug 2005, 06:01 am »
TjMV3, if you mean the minimax, I had one paired with a Stratos a while back. It worked fine.

brj

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« Reply #18 on: 16 Aug 2005, 06:25 am »
Quote from: lonewolfny42
Quote from: TjMV3
Frequency Response: 10Hz - 150kHz
• THD: 0.015%
• Output: 2V
• Signal to Noise Ration: 93dB
• Input Impedance: 100K Ohm
• Output Impedance: 1.5K Ohm
• Total Gain: 20dB
• Power Consumption: 13Watt
• One 6X4, Two 12AU7 vacuum tubes
• All-tube linestage with three inputs

Spec's look like those of the MiniMax...?

Ooooooh.... a game of "stump Chris"!   List random components specs and ask him to guess the component, year of production, weather forecast on the day of final testing and the name of the guy that delivered it! :D

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« Reply #19 on: 16 Aug 2005, 06:31 am »
Quote from: brj
Quote from: lonewolfny42
Quote from: TjMV3
Frequency Response: 10Hz - 150kHz
• THD: 0.015%
• Output: 2V
• Signal to Noise Ration: 93dB
• Input Impedance: 100K Ohm
• Output Impedance: 1.5K Ohm
• Total Gain: 20dB
• Power Consumption: 13Watt
• One 6X4, Two 12AU7 vacuum tubes
• All-tube linestage with three inputs

Spec's look like those of the MiniMax...?

Ooooooh.... a game of "stump Chris"!   List random components specs and ask him to guess the component, year of production, weather forecast on the day of final testing and the name of the guy that delivered it! :D
The tubes were the give away.... :lol:
    I've played rolling tubes with this pre...and a Philly 7A.... 8) [/list:u]