[Florian]

Why oh why do we need copy protections?
I spend so much money in this great Unison CD Player and now the Madonna CD distorts like shit becuase of the copy protection. All CD's are fine but this . And it says "This CD is copy protected and may not function in some playback systems" ...  

[Brad]

Agreed about copy protection.
Stupid of them to keep us from even PLAYING our music.

Don't have a lot of sympathy with your inability to play Madonna though.
The less of that cr*p playing in the world, the better  

[MaxCast]

Here is my take:
#1  I don't condone copying music for more than one person (houshold).  I don't believe in copying a cd or most of a cd and giving it away so that another person doesn't have to buy it.

#2  I want to be able to make comp discs and even give them away.  I want to be able to make copies for back ups.  Especially kids discs...surely bound to be scratched in two weeks.

Peace,

[Jon L]

Music Industry needs to concentrate a LOT more on finding some true talents and developing them instead of endlessly hyping the existing no-talent, no-interesting acts (you know who you are).  

I WANT to buy new music with my hard-earned money, but every time I go to Tower or go on-line, there's hardly anything worth buying.  

So they blame the consumers for music sales downfall and throw on heaps of "copy-protection," which any competent 12-year-old hacker can override while a honest consumer who pays his $17.99 to buy a CD can't even play it without distortion on his CDP and can't copy it for his own use on his own hard drive.

I urge everyone to boycot and NOT buy any CD that has "copy protected" logo on it and to write to the recording company about your reason for not buying the particular CD.  $$$ talks.

[Florian]

Agreed about copy protection.
Stupid of them to keep us from even PLAYING our music.

Don't have a lot of sympathy with your inability to play Madonna though.
The less of that cr*p playing in the world, the better  

LOL      Well i like Madonna every now and then.

[Brad]

Florian - everyone has their hidden "favorites"    
I'd be pissed if my Twisted Sister Cd's were copy protected  

I agree with MaxCast on usage.  I won't burn a full copy of a CD for someone, but I'll make 'samplers' occasionally.  That usually leads to them buying the CD......

[Florian]

Well i just found out that it actually isnt the Madonna CD. BUT I STILL AM AGAINST CP    

The CD Player sounds fine with Madonna on my parents system. I think that the output level on my CDP is too high for the inputs of the Pathos.
Any idea how to lower that?

[Bingenito]

Florian are you like survey central or something? Go listen to Madonna and relax  

[Florian]

LOL, i actually never had as much fun with a system as i have now. Madonna will properbly work perfectly once i get my Sphinx system up and running.

 

[nathanm]

I'm all for copy protection.  It's being used with great success on numerous labels.  What they do is take musicians into the studio and make albums of very mediocre and\or boring musical content.  They release these and the public soon realizes that not only will they not copy the album for others, but they will likely not listen to the original pressing ever again by themselves.  This struggle against copy-worthy music will be a long one, but ultimately worth it, I think.  It is better to remove the desire to make illegal copies than the ability to make them.

[Scott F.]

I personally feel copy protection is absolute Bovine Shite. I paid good money for the rights to own and listen to a certain piece of music. The copy protection should not limit my ability to make a copy for myself of music I just paid to have the rights to listen to. If I carry a new CD around, say, in the car or to the office, it's likely to get scratched rendering it quasi-usable in my hi-fi system. Not saying it won't play there, but it won't sound as good a a pristine copy because my error correction software has to work overtime to to read through those scratches.

So, if I make a copy for myself, I should have the legal right to do that since I just paid to own the use rights to this music. The second thought here is the fact that I own and use a dual disc Philips CD recorder. This machine will only allow you to use CDR-M's. On that CDR-M, there is a software tag that tells the machine that I have bought a blank CD that I pay and ADDITIONAL royalty so that the musician (supposedly) gets his vig when I make a copy for myself.

Now, all that being said, you need to take a trip to the RIAA site and see just who the largest violators or in the piracy game. The Asian rim, Mexico, the developing nations in northern Europe and Russia and the largest pirates out there. The US, central Europe and Austrailia are way down at the bottom of the list of pirates.

I feel the exact same way about DVD's. I should be able to make a direct copy for my own use since I just paid $20 or more for the LEGAL rights to play this movie at my house for my family (assuming I'm not charging them to watch it).

These little silver disc's we all buy can be very fragile in the hands of someone like my kids or wife. They can get destroyed in a heartbeat. If I destroy a disc I just paid for because of an inferior medium, will the record company or movie studio give me a replacement for free since I've already paid them once for it? ....... fat farging chance.

My point is, I now own the rights to this disc. I paid for them legally per the letter of the law. I should be able to make copies of my  music or movies that own. Granted, under those rights I can't distribute these discs, I can only use them for my personal consumption (which is exactly what I do).

I own noumerous discs that are nearly unplayable. None of which are 'pop' music. Two that come to mind are Indiginous' latest album and Robert Randolph and the Family Band's first release. Both of them sound like ca-ca in every machine I've put them in.

The RIAA, the music companies followed closely by the movie studio's should all die slow torturous deaths.

... thats just my opinion, YMMV

[JoshK]

All Hail the Hackers!!  I have become very anti-corporation lately, at least with re: to the RIAA and cable companies, for being such a political conservative.  

Funny, the fair use doctrine doesn't apply to TV.

cable: You want cable in another room?  That will be another $10/mo please.  
me: You mean I don't get that with the exorbinate fees I already pay you?  
cable: You have to pay for the other box.  
me: Can I use my own box?  
cable: No.  
me: Bullocks!!

[Florian]

LOL !!!  

Well we can use tools such as CloneCD and ClonyXXL and get around it

[zako]

I disagree.....The contents belong to me..& all intellectual copyrights pertaining to that disc also are mine.  I spent alot of money on the recording studio & extra band members. To produce a record costs alot of money.  Dont cry on my shoulders because your too cheap to buy a extra cd for your car. What do you think we are?? A bunch of slaves to intertain you for nothing?  Maybe the RIAA should be knocking on your door.  If I had it my way you would be charged every time you played your record. How many of you are willing to carry the load? Next time you go to the movies read the credits at the end. All those dedicated peaple have familys to support.  They have wives/husbends and children to feed & should be treated with the same respect as you give your family.  If you want   to play you have to pay. You dont get to sit at your tavern to cool your heels for nothing. So buy that drink or get out.       Zako the cruel.

[Jon L]

I disagree.....The contents belong to me..& all intellectual copyrights pertaining to that disc also are mine.  I spent alot of money on the recording studio & extra band members. To produce a record costs alot of money.  Dont cry on my shoulders because your too cheap to buy a extra cd for your car. What do you think we are?? A bunch of slaves to intertain you for nothing?  Maybe the RIAA should be knocking on your door.  If I had it my way you would be charged every time you played your record. How many o ...

"too cheap to buy a extra cd for your car"??  Are you out of your mind?  $17.99 is way too much money to pay for vast majority of sorry-ass Cr**! albums out there already.  You want us to pay another $17.99 for our car and maybe another $17.99 for our bedroom system?  

Once I pay the $17.99 ONCE, I should be able to burn it onto my audio PC, make a copy for my car, and heck make another copy just for the hell of it as long as it's for my PERSONAL use.  

RIAA's answer is to load their nasty copy-proection software onto my hard drive as soon as I put the CD in the CD Rom.  THAT should be the crime.

[Florian]

"too cheap to buy a extra cd for your car"??  Are you out of your mind?  $17.99 is way too much money to pay for vast majority of sorry-ass Cr**! albums out there already.  You want us to pay another $17.99 for our car and maybe another $17.99 for our bedroom system?  

Once I pay the $17.99 ONCE, I should be able to burn it onto my audio PC, make a copy for my car, and heck make another copy just for the hell of it as long as it's for my PERSONAL use.  

RIAA's answer is to load their nasty copy-proect ...

I totally agree with that. You guys are lucky, i pay 24EUR for a stupid CD!!!!

[nathanm]

I disagree.....The contents belong to me..& all intellectual copyrights pertaining to that disc also are mine.

That's cool, why don't you tell us the name of your band and record and where we can buy it?

I spent alot of money on the recording studio & extra band members. To produce a record costs alot of money.  Dont cry on my shoulders because your too cheap to buy a extra cd for your car.

Shirley, you can't be serious.  Do you practice what you preach?  Do you have multiple copies of your favorite music for each room of your house?  Has anyone ever done this?  I have bought releases on both cassette, CD and vinyl, but never an extra copy just for the car.  A thief is more likely to swipe a commerical release than some boring looking CD-R.  Do you honestly think non-professional-pirate, individual users making a copy for their car is stealing bread from your table?  Give me a break!

What do you think we are?? A bunch of slaves to intertain you for nothing?

No of course not, but we bought a piece of plastic with your music on it and we don't like to be dicked around with.  Copy protection is dicking around with the customer AFTER they paid.  It is punishing people for crimes they haven't yet committed.  People who pay their money don't want to be treated like criminals.

Maybe the RIAA should be knocking on your door.  If I had it my way you would be charged every time you played your record.

Yeah, great idea.  I'm sure your band will become incredibly well-loved for such a tactic.   Hey I know, let's put microchips in people's brains that calculate how much pleasure they are receiving from your proprietary sound waves and automatically deduct the appropriate payment from their checking accounts.  Then if the user misses a payment they receive a lobotomy.  Is this Big Brother enough for ya?

If you want to complain about money the contract you signed with the record label is the problem.  They're the ones making sure bureaucrats and hangers-on are getting the lion's share.  Your financial quarrel is with your masters, not your fans.  And if you're not on a label and you're paying your own money to release a CD that's cool and I'm all for it.  But I wouldn't be too self-righteous about the evils of copying.  If you don't have corporate lackeys stuffing bills into DJ's pockets in return for airplay you're gonna have to build your fans up the old fashioned way.  And that might mean somebody makes a copy for someone else.  Why?  BECAUSE THEY LIKE YOUR FUCKING MUSIC!  They'll probably end up buying your commerical CD anyway if they think it's worth it.  I have purchased hundreds upon hundreds of CDs which I only heard about because of "illegal" dubs.

How many of you are willing to carry the load?

I am certain everyone here owns rackfulls of legally purchased music and movies.

Next time you go to the movies read the credits at the end. All those dedicated peaple have familys to support. They have wives/husbends and children to feed & should be treated with the same respect as you give your family. If you want to play you have to pay.

He DID pay!  He simply doesn't want to have the audio corrupted, that's all.  He wants to make a copy for his own personal use.  When people pay money in exchange for entertainment they want what they paid for.  They don't want extra shit after the fact.  I bought your stinking piece of plastic, now leave me the hell alone.  THAT is the message.

[zako]

The leagle right to copy for your own ill gotten gains over my right to COPYRIGHT & protect my music the song writers music & production crews will not be tolerated. And we will go after you with a steel glove. If I had my way every one in your home or car who collectively hears that record should pay a surcharge each time. You complain about $17.95 thats cheap compaired to a tank of gas.  When you go to a live concert you dont get a second concert free. You follow like a grouppie and buy another ticket. If you sneek in the side door our moniters drag you out in the side ally. Your lucky they dont horse wipp you & rub salt in your wounds.  Stealing is stealing. In some countries they still cut off a finger for that. But you live in a good privlidged country. You have never gone hungry or lived in the streets. So why do you want to deny that to us. I dont understand. Try keeping your homes without paying your realestate taxes. In doing so you deny your children a good school.  Try not paying your fee,s & see what the fire dept.  will do.   Your cd is not corrupted you cant hear the copy protection  flag. You all have brought this on your self.  Well you say....The Chinese are getting away with it. Well damn it go to China. And see how long you,l last.  You,ve got it good. But you are corrupt into thinking this is a free lunch.   If you fuck yourself away from the dinner table. Go on wellfair I wont let you starve If your hungry I,ll be the first to feed you. But if you steal from me We will feed you in jail.     Zako the cruel.

[Jon L]

LOL.

Moderator, time to lock the thread and/or send it to Fight Club.

[nathanm]

 Uh, I have no idea what that was all about Zako, but thanks for the entertainment.  How much do I owe you for the laughs?