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« on: 23 May 2005, 12:46 am »
I just wanted to ask Ryan if there was a MC amp in the works.  Some things you said 'on another forum' led to wonder if one was on the way...

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« Reply #1 on: 23 May 2005, 02:28 am »
Hey Rob,

I am planning to do a modular multi-channel amp but I have not set a date by which it will be ready.  However, I have been asked to do a custom 3-channel amplifier which was the seed to something bigger...

Complete Custom Service
I am going to start offering Complete Custom One-of-a-Kind amps which will be built according to the designs, ideas and specs of the customer (based around ICEpower modular technology as the driving force).

My biggest inspiration came by the custom bike builders of West Coast and Orange County Choppers.  I realized how they can turn a piece of metal into anything the customer wants and it made me want to offer that to Audiophiles as well.  Custom cars, choppers, houses etc...why not custom amps?! ;)

I want people to send me their dream design which I can turn into a reality.

So if you want a basic stereo amp or a fully tricked out custom multi-channel amp built from machined aluminum, exoctic solid bubinga wood or clad in an art-decco style copper and stainless chassis...WE WILL BUILD IT. 8)

The core of any of these amps will be the modular ICEpower amplifier units and that is only limit.  Choose from WBT, Eichmann, CMCusa or any connectors you like.  Pick whatever materials you like. Solid core silver wire.  Copper magnet wire.  Crimp only connections. Silver Solder connections.  You name it and we will do it. Cotton dielectric or Teflon or Kynar.

Mono-blocks machined from aluminum to form Yin & Yang; anodized black and natural with contrasting backlit power lights...


custom 3-channel amps to actively Tri-amp your speakers...

Monoblocks cast from bronze to form the shape of a saxophone and upright bass...now that would be cool for a jazz lover to have amps like that...


That was probably a much longer answer than you were looking for huh Rob. :D


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« Reply #2 on: 23 May 2005, 02:38 am »
No, that's just what I was hopin' you'd say! 8)

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« Reply #3 on: 23 May 2005, 03:09 am »
I forgot to mention; hand carved marble/granite/soapstone...those would look so nice...

Another important feature of the Complete Custom Service is the fact that they'll receive very high WAF/SAF!  

You could even have your significant other help you design the look of the amp (maybe to match the decor of the room).

 8)

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« Reply #4 on: 24 May 2005, 03:44 am »
Hi
Are ICE amps leave on 24/7 kind of amps, or do they use too much current at idle. Also, can you use a sub wired through the speaker level outputs?
Thanks, Ryan

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« Reply #5 on: 24 May 2005, 03:57 am »
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Hi
Are ICE amps leave on 24/7 kind of amps, or do they use too much current at idle. Also, can you use a sub wired through the speaker level outputs?
Thanks, Ryan


You can leave them on all the time and not have your electricity bill jump up.

Try that with a Class A amp.

George

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« Reply #6 on: 24 May 2005, 09:06 pm »
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Hi
Are ICE amps leave on 24/7 kind of amps, or do they use too much current at idle. Also, can you use a sub wired through the speaker level outputs?
Thanks, Ryan


Hi ryno,

You can leave the amps 24/7 as they hardly take any juice while idling.  However if you are going away for extended periods of time, you might as well switch them off and save a what little power they use. No sense in wasting electricity so to speak...even if it is just a few watts. :wink:

REGARDING SUB ?
You can use a sub wired through the speaker level outputs.  Most self powered subwoofers are around 100,000ohm input impedance at the speaker level section so they pose no real load to the amp at all.

If I were you, I would upgrade my sub and have ICEpower driving it.  Bass is much more textured, delineated and articulate with ICEpower.  Upight bass has weight, texture and detail that is just amazing..even pipe organs now have detail I did not know was present...you can almost hear the air churning and chuffing through the pipes on Mahler's 2nd!

The impact and quickness of the ICEpower amp matched with a good subwoofer driving is just plain awesome.

I know you could use the RDES from AV123 to handle crossover and EQ duties for your sub(s) and I could fabricate a plate for the ICEpower to be mounted inside your current sub or a new one altogther.  8)

ryno

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« Reply #7 on: 25 May 2005, 01:23 am »
For sub, I need to balance HT and 2 channel in the same room, and my REL is flexible enough to do that. Two inputs, low pass unfiltered for HT and high pass filtered for music with two volume controls. Not bad sounding either. So my amp needs to feed the sub via high level for music, I heard that some amps can't do this, bridging the grounds or something.  Another Q, I read on an older post that ICE amps have a low input impedance,  what are good/bad preamp output impedances with these amps.  I've seen this topic brought up, but I'm don't understand it.
Thanks, Ryan

thanks fot the pm Ryan.

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« Reply #8 on: 25 May 2005, 06:36 am »
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For sub, I need to balance HT and 2 channel in the same room, and my REL is flexible enough to do that. Two inputs, low pass unfiltered for HT and high pass filtered for music with two volume controls. Not bad sounding either. So my amp needs to feed the sub via high level for music, I heard that some amps can't do this, bridging the grounds or something.  Another Q, I read on an older post that ICE amps have a low input impedance,  what are good/bad preamp output impedances with these amps.  I've seen this topic brought up, but I'm don't understand it.
Thanks, Ryan

thanks fot the pm Ryan.


Hi Ryan,

You should NOT connect the REL high level inputs to both the left and right channel amplifier outputs.  You can connect the REL to one channel or the other but not both like typical amplifiers.


Preamps:
You should have no trouble at all with any preamp on the market.
I've used tube preamps with rather high output impedances of 1-2kOhms with wonderful results. Most preamps today have more than adequate current drive to overcome any issue one might think would exist between our amps and tube preamps.

ryno

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« Reply #9 on: 25 May 2005, 03:14 pm »
So, how high is to high for preamp output impedance?
Thanks, Ryan