[MN2CHFAN]

As a huge SACD fan here, how many people would support a new Bryston SACD player?

The same DACs could be used as the BDA3 and BCD3, the same transport that is used in the BCD3 is also used in the dCS SACD player, and the same case would be used as the BCD3. 

The prices for standalone players are over $10000 and can reach over $100000. 

Bryston builds excellent equipment, but the HDMI interface in the BDA3 has issues and is not the best way to transmit this data to the DAC. 

Wanted to post to hope spark interest to the decision makers at Bryston can look at this market and come up with a killer SACD player. 

Thanks

[cleeds]

... the HDMI interface in the BDA3 has issues and is not the best way to transmit this data to the DAC ...

I've never had any issues with my BDA3, including with the HDMI input.
What issues have you encountered? Perhaps someone here can help.

[FullRangeMan]

I need an top loading CD/SACD player around $600.

[gbaby]

As a huge SACD fan here, how many people would support a new Bryston SACD player?

The same DACs could be used as the BDA3 and BCD3, the same transport that is used in the BCD3 is also used in the dCS SACD player, and the same case would be used as the BCD3. 

The prices for standalone players are over $10000 and can reach over $100000. 

Bryston builds excellent equipment, but the HDMI interface in the BDA3 has issues and is not the best way to transmit this data to the DAC. 

Wanted to post to hope spark interest to the decision makers at Bryston can look at this market and come up with a killer SACD player. 

Thanks

I think you are being delusional. There is no market for a Bryston SACD player. As far as HDMI, its the only way to access DSD from SACD. I don't think you understand what you are speaking on.

[cleeds]

I think you are being delusional. There is no market for a Bryston SACD player.

The market for SACD players seems pretty healthy, with a wide variety of offerings from lo-budget to the ultra-highend, so I don't know why you'd call it "delusional" to suggest there could be interest in one from Bryston. What I'd really like to see is a Bryston universal player: CD, SACD, DVD, Blu-Ray. That could be a hot product.

[R. Daneel]

As a huge SACD fan here, how many people would support a new Bryston SACD player?

The same DACs could be used as the BDA3 and BCD3, the same transport that is used in the BCD3 is also used in the dCS SACD player, and the same case would be used as the BCD3. 

The prices for standalone players are over $10000 and can reach over $100000. 

Bryston builds excellent equipment, but the HDMI interface in the BDA3 has issues and is not the best way to transmit this data to the DAC. 

Wanted to post to hope spark interest to the decision makers at Bryston can look at this market and come up with a killer SACD player. 

Thanks

If dCS uses the same transport as the Bryston BCD-3 and the BDA-3 is capable of DSD, then why the BCD-3 wasn't an SACD player in the first place?

[MN2CHFAN]

Hey GBABY,

I truly don't appreciate being called delusional on the forum.

I was trying to gain interest in something that Bryston could easily do for consumers and sales.

Brystons Digital offerings are lacking by todays standards.

As an ex owner of a BDA-3 w/HDMI, I did encounter several issues with HDMI with at least three Blu-Ray/SACD players, having a stand alone SACD player either with an upgrade to the BCD-3 or something else, would allow a relatively lower cost of entry for consumers wanting to play music this way.

I will use my money elsewhere to have a trouble free playback experience. 

As an owner and supporter of Bryston since 2004, all I was doing was trying to gain interest from this small community of Bryston fans on IF IF they would support buying a SACD player.

GBABY, Again, please don't try to belittle my knowledge of Bryston electronics, DSD playback, etc on the public forum.  Do it in a private message.

[MN2CHFAN]

James Tanner would have to answer that question on why the BCD-3 wasn't designed for DSD playback.

[MN2CHFAN]

GBABY,

There are other ways to transmit the DSD files on a SACD. 

To increase your knowledge level, Bricasti uses a standard ethernet jack and cable to send DSD and PCM from the M19 to one of their DACs via I2s and PS Audio uses a standard HDMI cable via I2S on their transport to DAC.

[James Tanner]

James Tanner would have to answer that question on why the BCD-3 wasn't designed for DSD playback.

Hi
We wanted the BCD3 to be optimized for Redbook CD playback so the digital clocks and the DAC are designed to get the best performance possible from a standard CD.
SACD would require a totally different topology.

james

[R. Daneel]

SACD playback is hardly a trvial thing to do right. If you look at the landscape of the current state of SACD, excluding the number of actual SACD releases and the music available on SACD but rather just looking at the machines that play SACD, you are looking at only a handful of brands. Either we are talking about the Denon-Marantz group who have their own factory in Japan (Shirakawa) with some hundred doctors of sciences and engineers in various fields, or some obscure and expensive makes. That is what it takes to make an SACD player that performs as well as SACD can perform.

Bryston is something of a mid-sized manufacturer, on the boundary of a boutique manufacturer, and so the product they would make would be an expensive one and not too many people would want to buy it because of that price. Even if you look at the BDP product line, my guess is that they made and sold around five thousand units, probably less, and this includes everything from the BDP-1 to the last BDP-3. How many of these hypothetical SACD players would they need to produce and sell in order to make it viable? Too many, I think.

The Trump administration brings uncertainty and this will have a dramatic effect on companies like Bryston whose primary marketplace is the United States. There will be more talk about this, a lot more, but it will be one of the primary factors in decision-making processes with respect to which products will be made and which will not. Sadly, I believe difficult times are ahead.

Cheers - Antun

[R. Daneel]

Hey GBABY,

I truly don't appreciate being called delusional on the forum.

I was trying to gain interest in something that Bryston could easily do for consumers and sales.

Brystons Digital offerings are lacking by todays standards.

As an ex owner of a BDA-3 w/HDMI, I did encounter several issues with HDMI with at least three Blu-Ray/SACD players, having a stand alone SACD player either with an upgrade to the BCD-3 or something else, would allow a relatively lower cost of entry for consumers wanting to play music this way.

I will use my money elsewhere to have a trouble free playback experience. 

As an owner and supporter of Bryston since 2004, all I was doing was trying to gain interest from this small community of Bryston fans on IF IF they would support buying a SACD player.

GBABY, Again, please don't try to belittle my knowledge of Bryston electronics, DSD playback, etc on the public forum.  Do it in a private message.

Ignore it - coming from him, it means nothing. Not one post that he makes is without him trying to be rude towards someone. He is as low class as they come.

Inviting him to send you a private message is a good move - I have done the same thing, even giving him my name and surname so that he knows exactly to whom he is talking to and who I am. He didn't take the opportunity. That speaks volumes, don't you think?

Cheers - Antun

[Mariusz Uszynski]

Hi guys, I have technical question, regarding cd players in general.In the past all my laserdisc/dvd/blu-ray players had "RESUME PLAY" feature.If I stopped or turned player off, it would start playback, where I left off.So, how come cd players don't come with "resume play" feature?
I would like to apologize, if my question is silly, but I always loved that feature.

[James Tanner]

HI - I think if you hit 'pause' instead of 'stop' it would resume playback accordingly?

james

[Mariusz Uszynski]

HI - I think if you hit 'pause' instead of 'stop' it would resume playback accordingly?

james

Yes, I know that Mr.Tanner, but when you turn any CD player off, it will start playback from the beginning of the compact disc, not where I left off."Pause" and "Resume Play" are 2 different features.I've always wondered, why "Resume Play" was not implemented in any CD players, except car cd players.

[Mariusz Uszynski]

Every music genre, whether it's metal, progressive rock or electronic music, some songs are 20-30 min long, you turn your player off and next day, you either start from the beginning of last song again, or simply go to next song.But why not start, where you left off?????

I know I'm fighting losing battle here, but I can't understand why can't this feature be included in any cd player?????

[R. Daneel]

Every music genre, whether it's metal, progressive rock or electronic music, some songs are 20-30 min long, you turn your player off and next day, you either start from the beginning of last song again, or simply go to next song.But why not start, where you left off?????

I know I'm fighting losing battle here, but I can't understand why can't this feature be included in any cd player?????

DVD and Bluray players have memory buffers - think of it as computer RAM. The data is read off the disc and written into the memory. This is where some processing is done - the type of processing is dependent on the type of product. The data is then read from the memory and forwarded to whatever circuit is necessary to complete the task - be it video, audio, data, whatever.

A DVD or a Bluray player will have a larger memory buffer and this memory will be kept under voltage even if the device has been powered down. Remember that most of these devices have a standby mode which means at least some of the electronics inside are always powered on. With DVD and Bluray players, this typically includes the memory buffer circuit. Hence, the information remains stored even if the player is turned off.

CD players either have no memory buffer or use it for a different purpose. For instance, CD players intended for professional use will have memory buffers to prevent the CD from skipping. This is called 'anti-shock' memory.

That being said, some portable CD players, namely more high-end Sony ones, have had the resume feature and so did the MiniDisc players. The machine would 'remember' the exact position of the laser even if it was powered off. However, the memory would be wiped if you removed the battery.

That doesn't answer your question why CD players don't have this feature. In many cases, designers believe that simpler is better. I never gave it a second thought till you asked the question and I have loved CDs for as long as I can remember. Symphonic parts can be 20 minutes long and I've never found it necessary to stop playback, turn the player off and continue the next day. In worse case scenarios, I've fallen asleep to the music and listened to the piece from the start the next day.

I don't think a CD player needs that particular feauture but I hope I've shed at least some light on the topic for you.

Cheers - Antun

[Mariusz Uszynski]

DVD and Bluray players have memory buffers - think of it as computer RAM. The data is read off the disc and written into the memory. This is where some processing is done - the type of processing is dependent on the type of product. The data is then read from the memory and forwarded to whatever circuit is necessary to complete the task - be it video, audio, data, whatever.

A DVD or a Bluray player will have a larger memory buffer and this memory will be kept under voltage even if the device has been powered down. Remember that most of these devices have a standby mode which means at least some of the electronics inside are always powered on. With DVD and Bluray players, this typically includes the memory buffer circuit. Hence, the information remains stored even if the player is turned off.

CD players either have no memory buffer or use it for a different purpose. For instance, CD players intended for professional use will have memory buffers to prevent the CD from skipping. This is called 'anti-shock' memory.

That being said, some portable CD players, namely more high-end Sony ones, have had the resume feature and so did the MiniDisc players. The machine would 'remember' the exact position of the laser even if it was powered off. However, the memory would be wiped if you removed the battery.

That doesn't answer your question why CD players don't have this feature. In many cases, designers believe that simpler is better. I never gave it a second thought till you asked the question and I have loved CDs for as long as I can remember. Symphonic parts can be 20 minutes long and I've never found it necessary to stop playback, turn the player off and continue the next day. In worse case scenarios, I've fallen asleep to the music and listened to the piece from the start the next day.

I don't think a CD player needs that particular feauture but I hope I've shed at least some light on the topic for you.

Cheers - Antun


Hi Antun and big thanks, I knew you come through with very good explanation.Anyway, after I purchased my BCD-3 in 2021, I e-mailed STREAMUNLIMITED, the Bryston cd drive manufacturer, they said something like that; "...resume play was not implemented by manufacturer..."
Again, thank you very much for technical explanation.

Mariusz.

[R. Daneel]

DVD and Bluray players have memory buffers - think of it as computer RAM. The data is read off the disc and written into the memory. This is where some processing is done - the type of processing is dependent on the type of product. The data is then read from the memory and forwarded to whatever circuit is necessary to complete the task - be it video, audio, data, whatever.

A DVD or a Bluray player will have a larger memory buffer and this memory will be kept under voltage even if the device has been powered down. Remember that most of these devices have a standby mode which means at least some of the electronics inside are always powered on. With DVD and Bluray players, this typically includes the memory buffer circuit. Hence, the information remains stored even if the player is turned off.

CD players either have no memory buffer or use it for a different purpose. For instance, CD players intended for professional use will have memory buffers to prevent the CD from skipping. This is called 'anti-shock' memory.

That being said, some portable CD players, namely more high-end Sony ones, have had the resume feature and so did the MiniDisc players. The machine would 'remember' the exact position of the laser even if it was powered off. However, the memory would be wiped if you removed the battery.

That doesn't answer your question why CD players don't have this feature. In many cases, designers believe that simpler is better. I never gave it a second thought till you asked the question and I have loved CDs for as long as I can remember. Symphonic parts can be 20 minutes long and I've never found it necessary to stop playback, turn the player off and continue the next day. In worse case scenarios, I've fallen asleep to the music and listened to the piece from the start the next day.

I don't think a CD player needs that particular feauture but I hope I've shed at least some light on the topic for you.

Cheers - Antun


Hi Antun and big thanks, I knew you come through with very good explanation.Anyway, after I purchased my BCD-3 in 2021, I e-mailed STREAMUNLIMITED, the Bryston cd drive manufacturer, they said something like that; "...resume play was not implemented by manufacturer..."
Again, thank you very much for technical explanation.

Mariusz.

Hi Mariusz! Great name BTW, Hungarian?

It isn't often that I hear someone contacting the OEM to find more about a specific part! It's great to know the inner workings of something, especially something as interesting as a CD player, isn't it?

Cheers - Antun

[Mariusz Uszynski]

Hi Mariusz! Great name BTW, Hungarian?

It isn't often that I hear someone contacting the OEM to find more about a specific part! It's great to know the inner workings of something, especially something as interesting as a CD player, isn't it?

Cheers - Antun

Hi Antun, I'm polish-canadian meaning, I was "accidentally" born in Poland, but will happily die in Canada (lol).I'm not trying to be mean to my counrty of origin, but ever since I was 10-11 year old, I was "obsessed" or fascinated by Canada.We had geography very early in elementary school and I loved reading and learning about Canada.And 20 years later, I became canadian citizen.

Anyway, I wanted to know little bit about the drive.The gentleman, who e-mailed me was very helpful.I love my Bryston gear so much, I'm thinking about buying spare cd drive and display for my BCD-3, once the warranty expires.