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lukaqiqi

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an entry-level newcomer
« on: 18 Nov 2024, 12:42 pm »
Hello everyone, I am an entry-level newcomer.
I am planning to purchase amplifiers and speakers in a room about 20 square meters,
I usually enjoy listening to popular and electronic music,
I hope to receive some professional advice, thank you

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #1 on: 18 Nov 2024, 02:09 pm »
Welcome.
Look for hi sensitivity speakers as 100dB or more.
Dont walk run from low efficiency speakers as 96dB or less.

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« Reply #2 on: 18 Nov 2024, 03:07 pm »
Welcome to AudioCircle lukaqiqi

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #3 on: 18 Nov 2024, 03:52 pm »
Welcome to AC!

What is your budget?

You only mentioned amps and speakers. How loud will you be playing the music? Do you have a preference for tubes or solid state?

You mention electronic music, and depending on exactly what sub-genre, I think you're probably going to be looking at either full-range speakers or limited-range speakers and a subwoofer or two.

Will you be streaming, spinning vinyl or CD's, playing from locally stored files?

Do you want to incorporate some A/V capabilities in the same system?

If you can answer some of these questions, AC members will have a better idea of what you're trying to accomplish.

My best advice: Find a brick-and-mortar dealer that you trust, and let him/her guide you based on their experience with more brands and products than the average person has ever had a chance to hear. Members here might even be able to recommend a good dealer or two in your area if you let us know where you live.

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #4 on: 18 Nov 2024, 04:47 pm »
Greetings & Welcome to AC   :thumb:

I.Greyhound Fan

Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #5 on: 18 Nov 2024, 11:00 pm »
Welcome.
Look for hi sensitivity speakers as 100dB or more.
Dont walk run from low efficiency speakers as 96dB or less.

Just curious as to why? That really limits him on speakers and to buy some very highly efficient speakers that sound good will cost a lot. Knowing his budget would really help.  I think with his tastes in music, you would want a lively speaker and electronics.  Something with a slightly warmer sound as that type of music can be bright sounding and fatiguing.  No malicious intent here, just curious. :D

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« Reply #6 on: 18 Nov 2024, 11:07 pm »
Welcome!

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« Reply #7 on: 19 Nov 2024, 12:16 am »
Just curious as to why? That really limits him on speakers and to buy some very highly efficient speakers that sound good will cost a lot. Knowing his budget would really help.  I think with his tastes in music, you would want a lively speaker and electronics.  Something with a slightly warmer sound as that type of music can be bright sounding and fatiguing.  No malicious intent here, just curious. :D
This is a fair question, I will go to the desktop.
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As I posted sometimes before If one have a hi sensitivity speaker as 100dB or more(rare) and bening impedance curve there is no much things to upgrade to have a great system.

This will allow take vantage from inexpensive small tube amps and save a lot of money:
http://www.glowinthedarkaudio.com/amps.html

In the case of sole FR drivers as Lii Audio F15 or F18 OB will has less cost yet hence no crossover, no driver sensitivity loss(1dB), no enclosure and no retail price:
http://www.glowinthedarkaudio.com/speakers.html

Others small amps suited to hi efficiency speakers are First Watt, Chip-amps and GaN-FET amps.

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #8 on: 19 Nov 2024, 01:55 am »
Welcome.
Look for hi sensitivity speakers as 100dB or more.
Dont walk run from low efficiency speakers as 96dB or less.

Thank you for your direct and practical suggestion, it's helpful to me

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #9 on: 19 Nov 2024, 02:08 am »
Welcome to AC!

What is your budget?

You only mentioned amps and speakers. How loud will you be playing the music? Do you have a preference for tubes or solid state?

You mention electronic music, and depending on exactly what sub-genre, I think you're probably going to be looking at either full-range speakers or limited-range speakers and a subwoofer or two.

Will you be streaming, spinning vinyl or CD's, playing from locally stored files?

Do you want to incorporate some A/V capabilities in the same system?

If you can answer some of these questions, AC members will have a better idea of what you're trying to accomplish.

My best advice: Find a brick-and-mortar dealer that you trust, and let him/her guide you based on their experience with more brands and products than the average person has ever had a chance to hear. Members here might even be able to recommend a good dealer or two in your area if you let us know where you live.

Thank you for spreading so much knowledge to me.
My budget is around $3000 in total, is it enough?
I plan to use a CD player or local files as the audio source to play.

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« Reply #10 on: 19 Nov 2024, 02:39 am »
Thank you for your direct and practical suggestion, it's helpful to me
This is my personal taste, others my prefer low sensitivity speakers as 88dB and a expensive monster SolidState amp, you have to see what is your preference.

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« Reply #11 on: 19 Nov 2024, 10:44 am »
$3000 is plenty, like Jeff_From_Michigan said get out there and listen to as many stuff as you can. Don’t forget to take your own music with you. If you can get a home trial, that would be better still. Only you know what you like, so let your ears be the judge. Take what others say with a grain of salt, you are the one that will have to live with what you buy so make sure you like what you buy.

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« Reply #12 on: 19 Nov 2024, 11:40 am »
Use your own judgment regarding speaker efficiency and declarative statements about power requirements, wire gauge, etc.
My favorite of my systems is an 82 db efficient monitor speaker paired with a 24 watt/ch amp. They play beautifully together and to me and the volume is quite sufficient.

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #13 on: 19 Nov 2024, 03:24 pm »
$3000 is plenty, like Jeff_From_Michigan said get out there and listen to as many stuff as you can. Don’t forget to take your own music with you. If you can get a home trial, that would be better still. Only you know what you like, so let your ears be the judge. Take what others say with a grain of salt, you are the one that will have to live with what you buy so make sure you like what you buy.

 :thumb: :thumb:thank you

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #14 on: 19 Nov 2024, 03:49 pm »
What market will you be buying in?  There are things available in North America that are pricey in Europe and vice versa....

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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #15 on: 19 Nov 2024, 04:06 pm »
Thank you for spreading so much knowledge to me.
My budget is around $3000 in total, is it enough?
I plan to use a CD player or local files as the audio source to play.

Yes, $3K is enough!

OK, assuming that you already have a CD player and storage device of some kind, let's talk about speakers and amps.

Amp names that come to mind: NAD, Cambridge Audio, Marantz, Eversolo, Denon, Musical Fidelity, etc. 

Speakers - Elac, Dali, Wharfedale, KEF, Polk, etc. the list goes on forever. You really need to get out there and listen to as many as you can and find out what suits your taste.

On my desktop I have a NuPrime IDA-8 (integrated amp with DAC) driving a pair of Axiom Audio M-3's. I have a strong feeling that with the addition of a subwoofer (or two) you could do very well with a set-up like this as your main rig, and all well within your budget.  ***disclaimer: This is not a suggestion that you buy anything, but merely an example that I personally know of a system that sounds very good to me and might also work well for you.

https://nuprimeaudio.com/product/ida-8/

https://www.axiomaudio.com/m3-bookshelf-speakers

You could start by going to an audio dealer (do you have one or two in your area?), tell them your budget and what you're trying to accomplish  and ask them for suggestions to try. Then like toocool4 said, if you find something that you like and you can get an in-home audition, go for it.   

Best Buy Magnolia might be an option, but personally I would prefer something with "Hi-fi" or "Audio" in the store name.

If you're in to YouTube, Darko and Audiophiliac can be entertaining and informative with their reviews of equipment, a lot of which certainly fall within your budget.

Finally, a lot of people (me included) have made the mistake of buying equipment factory-direct without an audition because of what looks like a screaming bargain price. But trust me - whatever pennies you might save by buying without hearing aren't worth the headache and frustration of having to return stuff and start over.

If you spend a lot of time listening to music, you will not regret putting a little extra work into finding what works best for you. It will pay off big-time over the long haul.

Best of luck to you!

I.Greyhound Fan

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« Reply #16 on: 19 Nov 2024, 05:00 pm »
I would put half of your budget towards speakers.  Your room is small so I would consider bookshelf speakers. 

Look at speakers like the Monitor Audio Silver 100's, Wharfedale Evo 4.2's, Dali, Dynaudio Evoke 10.  These speakers are neutral to slightly warmer sounding.  The Monitor Audio's play down low to 35hz, so you would get good bass from them.  Buchardt S400MKII which are direct from the Manufacturer and are supposed to sound excellent.  They may be a bit above your budget though.
My son owns a pair of the Wharfedale 4.4 tower speakers and they sound great.  The tweeter is so smooth.  No harshness or glare. The reviews on the 4.2's are very good.  A plus is that they are bottom ported so you can put them a little closer to the wall.

For integrated amps, consider the Arcam SA20, NAD C 3050, C 379, C 389, that Nuprime amp that was mentioned, Marantz, AVAHiFi CA1 Control amplifier which I reviewed for the company, Cambridge Audio, Rotel A12MKII or A14MKII to name a few.  Some of these have built in DAC's, Blue tooth and streaming.
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Re: an entry-level newcomer
« Reply #17 on: 19 Nov 2024, 05:13 pm »
I would put half of your budget towards speakers.  Your room is small so I would consider bookshelf speakers. 

Look at speakers like the Monitor Audio Silver 100's, Wharfedale Evo 4.2's, Dali, Dynaudio Evoke 10.  These speakers are neutral to slightly warmer sounding.  The Monitor Audio's play down low to 35hz, so you would get good bass from them.  Buchardt S400MKII which are direct from the Manufacturer and are supposed to sound excellent.  They may be a bit above your budget though.

For integrated amps, consider NAD C 3050, C 379, C 389, that Nuprime amp that was mentioned, Marantz, AVAHiFi CA1 Control amplifier which I reviewed for the company, Cambridge Audio, Rotel A12MKII or A14MKII to name a few.

Audio by Van Alstine is one brand that I purchased based on reputation without hearing first, and they are one of the exceptions to the "Never buy without hearing first" rule. I have their T10-RB preamp and it is excellent.  Their products are legendary for great performance and value. Thank you so much for reminding me about Van Alstine, I.Greyhound Fan!

Another exception in my experience is Odyssey Audio - factory direct with a 20-year warranty. Not sure if they will be within your budget, though.

I.Greyhound Fan

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« Reply #18 on: 19 Nov 2024, 06:46 pm »
Audio by Van Alstine is one brand that I purchased based on reputation without hearing first, and they are one of the exceptions to the "Never buy without hearing first" rule. I have their T10-RB preamp and it is excellent.  Their products are legendary for great performance and value. Thank you so much for reminding me about Van Alstine, I.Greyhound Fan!

Another exception in my experience is Odyssey Audio - factory direct with a 20-year warranty. Not sure if they will be within your budget, though.

Agree with Odyssey Audio.  The Cyclops Integrated is a no frills amp for about 1100 dollars.  And, Klaus can customize the sound via biasing.  You can also upgrade to the extreme model for better dynamics and more power.  The 20 year warranty is a good deal too.